04-04-2004, 17:17
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I don't know, its not my program. Probably an A Team less the TL, WO, 1 Medic, 1 Engineer and 1 Commo Puke. No team is ever full for long anyway.
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04-04-2004, 17:22
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Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
I don't know, its not my program. Probably an A Team less the TL, WO, 1 Medic, 1 Engineer and 1 Commo Puke. No team is ever full for long anyway.
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Oh I thought you had some grand skem conjured up in the 2 mins it took you to post the 7 Green Hats answer.
Dan to answer your questions it sounds like infantry OSUT needs an enema
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04-04-2004, 17:26
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Feel minorly guilty for hijacking the XM-8 thread over to an OSUT thread. Maybe we'd do better with an exclusive thread over out Weapons Discussion.
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04-04-2004, 18:01
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Originally posted by DanUCSB
I'll hold out hope for the XM-8 if we can get a long barrel put on it, and some decent ammo to put through it. I know, I know, why not just fix what we have and save whatever huge amount of money we're spending on XM; I agree. But I have a distinct feeling it's inevitable now; like an earlier poster said, the politicos want to get something out of the whole OICW debacle.
At least the XM-8 is a good start in making new items lighter, rather than heavier (although, it's probably because it's a snubbie). 
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The Ordnance people want to get something out of the OICW debacle. Fortunately, the proponent agency for small arms is the Infantry Board. I doubt the XM-8 is going to make it to widespread adoption.
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04-04-2004, 18:05
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I doubt the XM-8 is going to make it to widespread adoption.
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Why, GH? Everything I've seen has been positive so far (of course it has, as most sources tend to have a commercial interest). What do you think will shoot it down... just similarity to what we have already that doesn't justify the expense?
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04-04-2004, 18:07
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Gh,
Do you have any kind of idea what the OICW debacle has cost the US taxpayer? Just curious.
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04-04-2004, 18:17
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Originally posted by DanUCSB
Why, GH? Everything I've seen has been positive so far (of course it has, as most sources tend to have a commercial interest). What do you think will shoot it down... just similarity to what we have already that doesn't justify the expense?
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Because the Infantry Board is going to look at issues that Ordnance is currently avoiding...like that barrel length...
And because the Infantry Board only recently (within the last couple of years) approved the widespread issue of M4s and M16A4s to reequip all Infantry units. So they are going to look at the HK and say "what advantage does this weapon provide the Infantryman? Is it worth the cost?"
I think the answer will be no.
NDD, I don't know off hand. I'll see if I can find out. It'll be in the billions, and some of the costs (testing process/procedures) may be hidden.
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