Historic drought to bring higher food prices, experts say

[Sarski]

Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen

There are still plenty of stations here in (way) northern Arizona which sell gasoline uncontaminated with ethanol.
I avoid putting ethanol in my vehicles whenever possible.

Wish that was the case around here (if so, I am unaware of any stations that offer it). Gasoline is one of my biggest expenses, and really eats into my profits. Is there much of a price difference between the two? Based on the price increase expected when the e10 is removed, I would imagine that the price is higher?

[GratefulCitizen]

Originally Posted by Sarski

Wish that was the case around here (if so, I am unaware of any stations that offer it). Gasoline is one of my biggest expenses, and really eats into my profits. Is there much of a price difference between the two? Based on the price increase expected when the e10 is removed, I would imagine that the price is higher?

The e10 stuff tends to be a little cheaper per gallon, but the per mile cost difference is negligible.

[Sarski]

Roger, I would rather have the option.

[Flagg]

Is this the possible early signs of 2nd order effects of US drought on ROW?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/04/wo..._r=1&src=rechp

IIRC, the price spike in 2007-2008, followed by the brief commodity crash in 2009 was largely fiscal/monetary policy related.

I wonder how it will play out when you combine the still unresolved fiscal/monetary crisis(chapter 2) with drought?

One of the really interesting developments of the last decade or so is the massive agricultural land development in the developing world.

At the individual and co-op partnership level, professional farmers in the US/Canada/Australia/NZ have been buying large tracts of ag land in places like Brazil and Uraguay and making a 2nd fortune in farming.

At the large corporate and nation state levels, REALLY huge tracts of land have been purchased ...such as leveling native bush in the South West Pacific for Palm Oil(& kernal) plantations that has some characteristics of ethanol policy in the US as well as for national food security in the cases of Saudi Arabia, South Korea, and China buying up large tracts in places like Madagascar and Zimbabwe.

It will be interesting to see how this all develops and learn how it all inter-relates.

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by Flagg

IIRC, the price spike in 2007-2008, followed by the brief commodity crash in 2009 was largely fiscal/monetary policy related.

Chapter two of the report available here.

[echoes]

Historic Drought:

Fact 1: We here in Oklahoma are now under a system called Volunatary Rationing. This was created to temper the use of water, and is based upon the odd and even address numbers of your house number, and it relates to every other calander day.

Fact 2: When I was a child, I remember Water Rationing, and its effects on our everyday lives. (Just try it for a week...and you will understand.)

Fact 3: For those who do not know, "Voluntary" is the first step before, "Mandatory" goes into effect. And it sucks.

Take all the charts, graphs, and studies, and throw them out the window when water is rationed in any community. People act irationally. Peroid.

JMHO,

Holly

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by echoes

Historic Drought:

Fact 1: We here in Oklahoma are now under a system called Volunatary Rationing. This was created to temper the use of water, and is based upon the odd and even address numbers of your house number, and it relates to every other calander day.

Fact 2: When I was a child, I remember Water Rationing, and its effects on our everyday lives. (Just try it for a week...and you will understand.)

Fact 3: For those who do not know, "Voluntary" is the first step before, "Mandatory" goes into effect. And it sucks.

Take all the charts, graphs, and studies, and throw them out the window when water is rationed in any community. People act irationally. Peroid.

JMHO,

Holly

Similar program up her in Hillbillyville.

[Flagg]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

Chapter two of the report available here.

Cheers!

[Razor]

Originally Posted by echoes

Historic Drought:

Fact 1: We here in Oklahoma are now under a system called Volunatary Rationing. This was created to temper the use of water, and is based upon the odd and even address numbers of your house number, and it relates to every other calander day.

Hmm, those of us here in Colorado Springs that are on municipal water have been under mandatory water restrictions (as defined above) since around 2005. I guess I've had it a lot worse than I realized.

[GratefulCitizen]

Originally Posted by Sarski

Roger, I would rather have the option.

FWIW:
http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=TX
http://www.buyrealgas.com/Texas.html

[Sarski]

Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen

FWIW:
http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=TX
http://www.buyrealgas.com/Texas.html

Good info for those here in Texas, or travelling through. Little far for me to go, the closest being 34 miles (one way). Tempting, just to run some real gas for a change.

Makes me wonder the hows and whys these stations can pump ethanol free gas, but those closer to the major through ways (US75, I35) do not pump it.

Also larger concentration in east Texas, and less in populated areas (Dallas, Austin, Houston, San Antonio).

Hmmm...makes me wonder why.

Thanks for the info.


BT
On the bright side of things, we did, here in the Dallas area, get a bit of rain last week. Need lots more, but it was nice while it lasted. Greened up the grass a little.

How is everyone else doing?