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Old 11-27-2004, 09:56   #1
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Venezuela - Next Hot Spot?

2 Ex-Officers Nabbed in Venezuela Slaying

Ex-Venezuelan Police Chiefs Seek Asylum
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Old 11-27-2004, 20:16   #2
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From your first link:
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Officials say Anderson's killing was likely politically motivated. He was investigating some 400 opposition leaders and businessmen who supported a 2002 coup that briefly removed President Hugo Chavez from power.
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STATE DEPARTMENT BRIEFING, November 24, 2004

MR. ERELI: One more?

QUESTION: Yes. It's about Venezuela. What do you think of the terrorist attack in Caracas that killed the prosecutor Danilo Anderson, who was investigating opposition members for the coup against Chavez in 2002? And the suspect of the attack was killed by the Venezuelan police yesterday. I don't know if you have something.

MR. ERELI: I hadn't seen that. We spoke to this matter last week. We condemned this. We condemn the killing of the prosecutor. We called it a terrorist act and we called for a swift and full investigation and said we viewed it as a terrible crime.
Was this a "terrorist act" or a "crime?"
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Old 11-27-2004, 20:35   #3
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Venezuela plans to buy Russian arms
www.chinaview.cn 2004-11-28 10:08:13

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Old 11-27-2004, 20:52   #4
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Purpose was to change the policy of investigating the event? If that is the case, I would regard it as a terrorist act. No financial gain to be had in the commission.

Or do you find it hard to believe that a State Dept spokesman could contradict him self in a briefing?
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Old 12-02-2004, 18:53   #5
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This does not add anything to to thread...

BUT!!! The CHICKS are hot there.

So who has the line on the jobs there

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Old 12-06-2004, 18:48   #6
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Venezuela’s Attorney General Asks Court to Review Exoneration of Coup Plotters

Friday, Dec 03, 2004

By: Sarah Wagner – Venezuelanalysis.com

Caracas, December 3, 2004—Yesterday, Attorney General Isaías Rodríguez asked the Constitutional Chamber of Venezuela’s Supreme Court to reverse a ruling it made on August 14th, 2002, that had released the military officers who were accused of organizing the April 2002 coup against President Chavez. According to the Supreme Court, the events of April 2002 constituted a “vacuum of power” that military officers legally filled and not a coup. Reversing the court decision would open legal avenues necessary for prosecuting the generals and politicians who were involved in the attempt to depose President Chávez....

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Old 12-07-2004, 22:12   #7
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This does not add anything to to thread...

BUT!!! The CHICKS are hot there.

So who has the line on the jobs there

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Hell I dont think there are any. I got a call to shut down the MIST the day Chavez got elected back in 98. We left all kinds of shit, computers ect. Just come home on the next thing smokin. Last I heard the MILGP was 3 guys who never left the embassy.

Kinda hard for any unit to get its HR Certs when the CINC of them all is a Human Rights Abuser.
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Old 12-07-2004, 22:28   #8
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Hell I dont think there are any. I got a call to shut down the MIST the day Chavez got elected back in 98. We left all kinds of shit, computers ect. Just come home on the next thing smokin. Last I heard the MILGP was 3 guys who never left the embassy.

Kinda hard for any unit to get its HR Certs when the CINC of them all is a Human Rights Abuser.

Aint that the truth..

Did some oil and gas work down there.

I'll keep my ears open for anyhting.

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Old 01-09-2005, 15:08   #9
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Any thoughts on this?

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Venezuela to seize aristocrat's cattle ranch
By Andy Webb-Vidal in Caracas and Henry Tricks in London
Published: January 7 2005 22:04 | Last updated: January 7 2005 22:04

Venezuelan authorities backed by troops are on Saturday expected to seize a 32,000-acre ranch owned by Lord Vestey, an English aristocrat and meat tycoon.

The move, the first in what is likely to be a number of Zimbabwe-style expropriations of big estates, appears to signal a renewed radicalisation in the leftwing government of President Hugo Chávez.

Lord Vestey, known as “Spam” to friends because his family's wealth comes from the meat trade, is one of Britain's richest men and a close friend of Prince Charles.

With interests that have ranged from overseas cattle ranches to a chain of butchers' shops, his fortune was estimated last year at £750m ($1.4bn, €1.07bn).

But the value of the Vestey Group has declined recently, and it has written down Venezuelan assets. The company had net assets of £78m in the last published set of accounts in 2003, down from £105m in 2002.

Nevertheless, the Vestey Group remains one of Venezuela's largest meat producers. Its El Charcote estate in the lush cattle-ranchingpastures of Cojedes, a state west of Caracas, is one the country's most modern. When his lands were first seized in Venezuela in 2001, Lord Vestey staged a one-man protest outside the Venezuelan embassy in London. He is now reluctant to discuss the matter in public, due to its sensitivity.

On Friday, Alfredo Toro Hardy, Venezuelan ambassador in London, said the ranch was among those in Venezuela considered “partly idle” and its property titles were not considered to be in proper order. That, he said, prompted the need for an investigation.

For the past four years the property has been partially squatted by poor farmers.

“We've been in Venezuela for just over 100 years and we hope to be there for some time yet,” Lord Vestey told the Financial Times. The land had been bought by his great grandfather in 1903, he said.

Land reform has faded in most of Latin America since the early 1980s. However, since his election six years ago, Mr Chávez has vowed, as part of his self-styled “revolution”, to attack an “oligarchic” system of land tenure in Venezuela. This week his government urged regional governors to press ahead with the programme by redistributing land to poor farmers and landless peasants. Critics complain that property rights are being disregarded, with no mention of any compensation for landowners.

In addition, agronomists argue that in regions with relatively poor soil, large areas of land are needed to graze a herd of cattle, creating a false impression of large tracts lying idle.

Ranchers also say that productivity is far higher on big estates, such as El Charcote, than on the small farms that the government wants to encourage. Eliezer Otaiza, director of Venezuela's National Land Institute and one of Mr Chávez's political allies, said at least 100,000 plots would be redistributed in the next six months.

The show of “revolutionary” force expected today appears intended to make an example of the Vestey estate.

“The full weight of the armed forces and the police will be present to implement the first phase of the land mission,” said Alexis Ortiz, Cojedes's attorney-general.

The “takeover” of the El Charcote estate is concerning other landowners. As one Venezuelan cattle-rancher yesterday put it: “It's deeply worrying. I'm certainly going to look at selling my cattle and ranch while I can.”

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/392c076e-60...cl=,s01=1.html
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Hell I dont think there are any. I got a call to shut down the MIST the day Chavez got elected back in 98. We left all kinds of shit, computers ect. Just come home on the next thing smokin. Last I heard the MILGP was 3 guys who never left the embassy.

Kinda hard for any unit to get its HR Certs when the CINC of them all is a Human Rights Abuser.

Hey, "high speed" ... where's our glint tape?!

Are you still working down where we last saw eachother, or did you already move on to "Crane"?

PM me so that we don't highjack the thread.

On topic:

I worked with a Venezuelan captain who was part of Chavez' security detail at around the time when the US President before Pres. George W. Bush (I don't like to say his name) had visited the country. The captain was later assigned to the GAC (Grupo de Accion Comando) and told me of a time when they ran into a FARC camp during a patrol along the Venezuelan-Colombian border. He said that they called-in the find, on Venezuela's side of the border, to higher only to be told to break off surveillance and to leave the camp alone. Upon returning, he was instructed to not report the find.
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Old 01-09-2005, 18:02   #11
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Interior Minister Says Venezuelan Rogue Security Officials Captured FARC Leader

Friday, Jan 07, 2005

By: Gregory Wilpert – Venezuelanalysis.com

Caracas, January 7, 2005—Venezuela’s Interior Minister, Jesse Chacon, confirmed yesterday that Venezuelan police officials, who were acting on their own, were indeed involved in the capture of Ricardo Granda, the “foreign minister” of the Colombian guerrilla group, the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC).

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That exapropriation of private property is outrageous. I figured he was going to do it, but still.
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That exapropriation of private property is outrageous. I figured he was going to do it, but still.
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Old 01-17-2005, 07:01   #14
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The article with embedded links: http://americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=4173

Venezuela: storm warnings
Michael Curran
January 12th, 2005

A new storm is forming, one which could prove to be detrimental to peace and stability in the Western Hemisphere, and particularly damaging to the United States. It is a tempest of human origin, which has visited us before: Guatemala (1951); Cuba (1959); Grenada (1979); Nicaragua (1984); and now, Venezuela. It is the Great Socialist Experiment, redux, with a new striking force. This storm, unlike the others, has a menacing energy behind it, namely oil - and with it, fear.

Until now, the previously mentioned regimes were smaller agrarian societies, which were eventually “dealt with” or, in the case of Cuba, contained. In any event, none of them were consequential to the economic well being of America. Sugar, bananas and rum are readily available elsewhere, and their price does not affect the overall economy. Oil is different.

There is a glaring lack of candid articles on the status quo of Venezuela in the American mass media. Clearly, that unimposing body of bias, the Fourth Estate, is not interested in investigative journalism when it might show a leftist leader and regime in an unfavorable light. Their interest is in negative stories which place the United States, its citizens or the Bush Administration in an unfavorable light. They are certainly not focused on evolving potential dangers to this hemisphere, such as a Marxist tyrant proceeding merrily along, corrupting an election, wrecking his economy, arresting his opponents, suppressing free trade unions, and seizing private land to “redistribute.”

The strength of that indictment is the palpable lack of news regarding current conditions in Venezuela. The MSM to date has had little to say regarding this developing problem. Instead, its headlines center on the here and now, such as wars, cataclysmic occurrences, Hollywood divorces, personal tragedies, and celebrity trials. Such headlines hold the attention of the masses for a while, and are soon replaced by other “feedings.” Media loves the story they can shape, build upon and aggrandize to their liking.

Venezuela ranks sixth among oil exporters (2003), and more importantly, has the seventh largest proven oil reserves (2003) in the world today. This places it directly behind Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Kuwait, U.A.E. and Russia.

More than half of its total daily oil production is shipped directly to the U. S., which places Venezuela as one of the top four sources of U.S. petroleum imports (Canada, Mexico and Saudi Arabia are the others). Its current share of the American petroleum market is 11.3% - down significantly from 17.4% in 1997.

Has anything of consequence happened in Venezuela since 1997? Yes – and his name is Hugo Chávez! This leftist ideologue ascended to the presidency of his country in 1999.

Chávez, a former paratroop colonel, led a failed coup d'état in February, 1992, against then President Carlos Andrés Pérez, another leftist who had previously nationalized the country’s petroleum and iron-ore industry. For his failure, Chávez was rewarded with a two-year stint in prison until he was pardoned.

Upon his release, he formed a new political party, Movement for the Fifth Republic, and in December 1998 won the presidential election with 56.2% of the vote. Since then he has:

• Had journalists followed, arrested, tear-gassed, shot at and killed.
• Had political opponents physically tortured.
• Called Capitalism “the road to hell” and “the champion of inequality.”
• Visited Saddam Hussein in 2000
• Dissolved labor unions
• Visited Spain’s new Socialist Prime Minister Zapatero (Nov 2004)
• Visited China (Dec 2004) and signed trade agreements, which include the exportation of oil and gas to China
• Provided his good friend, Fidel Castro with 53,000 barrels of oil daily
• Survived a coup attempt in 2002
• Referred to President Bush as a pendejo

Chávez, as many communists before him, had neatly hidden himself for a while in the cloak of nationalism. One remembers how Castro had U. S. liberals pandering to him in ’59 and ’60, appearing on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno’s TV ancestor, Jack Paar.

Chávez, the new “Castro of the Caribbean,” however, is not the usual socialist, just intent on exporting the Marxist-Leninist line to vulnerable neighboring countries with force of arms. Imagine if you will, Saudi Arabia with Castro as its leader, or Kuwait with Saddam Hussein in charge! To those possessed with any common sense, or some small degree of perception, this plate of distaste is most unappetizing.

It might be hard for some to fathom how this South American country, fifteen hundred miles from U. S. shores, can be any menace to our well being, economic or otherwise.

As one of the five founding members of OPEC, Venezuela helps to control a powerful influence over a number of industrialized economies. The question is should such power be trusted in the hands of people like Mr. Chávez?

Hugo Chávez has vowed to remain in power until 2021 and possibly this is what he admires about Fidel Castro, who has lasted for forty-five years. Venezuela’s current constitution allows for two six-year terms and so this ambition presents something of a problem for Chávez, albeit, a minor one. Does anyone care to wager on constitutional changes in Venezuela’s near future?

When Chávez first assumed power in 1999 oil was $8.00 a barrel. At that price he couldn’t risk angering Wall Street and Washington. However, with today’s oil cost at about $43.00 a barrel, Chávez is quickly becoming financially secure enough to take the gamble.

Chávez recently agreed to sell China 120,000 barrels of fuel oil a month. This agreement also allows China to help pump oil, set up refineries and produce natural gas in Venezuela. Of course, China needs oil to feed its growing economy, so diversifying its supply sources makes sense. However, I get nervous when an adversary sets up shop in my neighborhood.

When I harken back to my formative years, in daydreams arbitrarily remembered, I recall the old Mayflower Restaurant, once located in downtown Pittsburgh. Upon its white and turquoise green tiled walls, was a quotation, which for some obscure reason I still recall. Above the quote was a large picture of a donut and underneath it said, “As you ramble through life, whatever be your goal, keep your eye upon the donut, and not upon the hole.”

In the coming months, as news of Venezuela’s turn to the dark side grudgingly trickles to the forefront of the mainstream media, keep your eye upon the real stakes in Venezuela, and not upon trivialized accounts given by those who have contrary agendas. This is one of the most important stories of our time.
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Old 01-17-2005, 10:39   #15
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Wait till the tree huggers can't get anyone to support them because oil will be afround 100 dollars a bbl. Theie supporters won't be able to send money in their direction because it will cost about $100 to fill up a tank of gas.

Then we will be able to open up a lot of the areas that are cut off from drilling and we will have enough to sustain us for the next generations.

California spend more money to keep the natural flow of oil from hitting the beach than it would be to produce it.

Tree Huggers.... I tell ya.

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