Go Back   Professional Soldiers ® > At Ease > The Early Bird

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-12-2010, 17:41   #16
Pete
Quiet Professional
 
Pete's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Fayetteville
Posts: 13,080
Vets

Officers identified in shooting at Costco; lawyer says man did not pull gun

http://www.lvrj.com/news/man-did-not...-98279344.html

".........Officers William Mosher, 38, Joshua Stark, 28, and Thomas Mendiola, 23, shot and killed Erik Scott, 39, near the exit of the store. Mosher, the veteran of the group, has been with the agency five years. Stark and Mendiola have been with the department for less than two years............."

and

".....Saturday's shooting was not the first for Mosher, who in April 2006 was one of two officers who shot and killed a suspect in a car......"
Pete is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2010, 17:51   #17
echoes
Area Commander
 
echoes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: OK. Thanking Our Brave Soldiers
Posts: 3,614
Shar,

My condolences to you, on the loss of your friend.
echoes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2010, 17:54   #18
J8127
Auxiliary
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: CONUS
Posts: 79
Quote:
Originally Posted by fng13 View Post
Sir,

Is that true for all PD's? If so that scares the s*** out of me because I have already gone through 2 dui checkpoints when I was CCW. I informed the officer that I was carrying and it wasn't a problem, but that makes me nervous. What about open carry then because I do that when I'm hunting.
This is general, not in reference to the topic at hand,

fng13, no police offer, actually no american has to wait for you to actually point a gun at them to respond with deadly force. The threat of going for one is enough. I may butcher the exact legal wording, but if a person of a sound mind justifiably feels threatened with severe or lethal bodily harm they may defend themselves with up to deadly force of their own.

A LEO cannot blast you because you have a gun on your hip, but if he thinks you are reaching for it to shoot him with, he has the right to defend himself, just like any private citizen really.

To the OP I apologize for not expressing my condolences, I am sorry for your loss, no matter how close or distant they may have been.
J8127 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2010, 17:54   #19
rdret1
Quiet Professional
 
rdret1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Wilson,NC
Posts: 1,506
Our condolences on the loss of your friend Shar.
__________________
"Solitude is strength; to depend on the presence of the crowd is weakness. The man who needs a mob to nerve him is much more alone than he imagines."

~ Paul Brunton (1898-1981)



R.D. Winters
rdret1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2010, 19:36   #20
HOLLiS
Area Commander
 
HOLLiS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Pacific NorthWet
Posts: 1,495
My condolences on the death of your friend, Shar,


Rest In Peace.
HOLLiS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2010, 20:22   #21
BigJimCalhoun
Guerrilla
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: DFW Area
Posts: 401
I wonder if there were conflicting commands from the police officers on the scene - one telling Mr. Scott to do one thing and someone else commandng him to do something else.
BigJimCalhoun is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2010, 20:44   #22
Richard
Quiet Professional
 
Richard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: NorCal
Posts: 15,370
SA was FUBAR all around.

Richard's $.02
__________________
“Sometimes the Bible in the hand of one man is worse than a whisky bottle in the hand of (another)… There are just some kind of men who – who’re so busy worrying about the next world they’ve never learned to live in this one, and you can look down the street and see the results.” - To Kill A Mockingbird (Atticus Finch)

“Almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.” - Robert Heinlein
Richard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2010, 22:51   #23
Over
Asset
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Southwest US
Posts: 4
Here's the version of the story I received: http://www.lvrj.com/news/slaying-of-...-98223884.html.

I went to a very small high school with Erik and his younger brother, Kevin. Erik was 3 years ahead of me, but he was a standup individual then, a mentor to a friend of mine while at USMA, and a friend and an inspiration to most in our school.

I know it's been a long time since I've seen him, longer than Shar, but I think it would be ABSOLUTELY out of character for Erik to have destroyed merchandise or brandish a weapon to individuals in the store--causing the police response. I guarantee this will be deemed a bad shoot, which means nothing at this point because we have lost a great individual.

My prayers go out to his family and friends.
Over is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2010, 23:47   #24
Todd 1
Guerrilla
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Northeast
Posts: 143
This is a terrible situation all the way around, my condolence and sympathy to the family and friends of Mr. Scott.
Todd 1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2010, 10:29   #25
Sierra Bravo
Auxiliary
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Conus
Posts: 69
My friend is on the investigating team

He is a retired Army Ranger

this should be interesting

I'll pass along any details that are relevant

RIP
__________________
"Let your plans be dark and as impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt."

- Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Sierra Bravo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2010, 11:42   #26
Green Light
Quiet Professional
 
Green Light's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Eastern Panhandle, WV
Posts: 719
I am so sorry for your friend's death. Terribly tragic.
__________________
"If we lose freedom here, there's no place to escape to. This is the last stand on earth."
RWR

"If it neither breaks my leg nor picks my pocket, what difference does it make to me?"
TJ
Green Light is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2010, 15:54   #27
Utah Bob
Quiet Professional
 
Utah Bob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: 11 miles from Dove Creek, Colorady
Posts: 3,924
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sierra Bravo View Post
My friend is on the investigating team

He is a retired Army Ranger

this should be interesting

I'll pass along any details that are relevant

RIP
Thank you.
__________________
"...But if it be a sin to covet honour,
I am the most offending soul alive."
Shakespeare - Henry V
Lazy Bob Ranch
Utah Bob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2010, 09:09   #28
DJ Urbanovsky
Guerrilla Chief
 
DJ Urbanovsky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Omaha, NE
Posts: 694
Quote:
Originally Posted by kgoerz View Post
I would not even tell them I had a Gun. Simply do what they say. Then when they have control of you. Then tell them your carrying. A lot more to this story thou I'm sure.
This part could, at the very least, lead to your losing your permit here in NE. If you've got a CCW permit, you're required by law to inform the police at the beginning of any official contact. It'll also come up on their terminal when they run your ID. Again, that's here in NE. But I'd do the same thing anywhere. At the onset of official contact, keeping hands visible and at no time reaching for the weapon: "I'm required by law to inform you that I have a concealed carry permit and that I am carrying a firearm. What would you like me to do, sir?" Then follow the cop's instructions.

Shar, sorry for your loss.
DJ Urbanovsky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2010, 10:43   #29
Razor
Quiet Professional
 
Razor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Colorado Springs
Posts: 4,509
Be thou at peace.
Razor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-14-2010, 16:10   #30
kgoerz
Quiet Professional
 
kgoerz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: NC for now
Posts: 2,418
Quote:
Originally Posted by fng13 View Post
Sir,

Is that true for all PD's? If so that scares the s*** out of me because I have already gone through 2 dui checkpoints when I was CCW. I informed the officer that I was carrying and it wasn't a problem, but that makes me nervous. What about open carry then because I do that when I'm hunting.

Shar.

I'm sorry for your loss, I just lost one of my best friends 2 weeks ago in a car wreck. I feel your pain of losing your friend in a tragic way.
Your talking about two totally different circumstances. Read my post again carefully
__________________
Sounds like a s#*t sandwhich, but I'll fight anyone, I'm in.
kgoerz is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:23.



Copyright 2004-2022 by Professional Soldiers ®
Site Designed, Maintained, & Hosted by Hilliker Technologies