02-06-2004, 21:49
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I'll be the Devil's Advocate and say that I like a good sling for any number of applications.
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02-06-2004, 21:57
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why yes... the EGL does make the MMP sling
Slings are good for certain applications, but OTOH, I would also agree with ND about it imparting a crutch mentality.
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02-06-2004, 22:00
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If you have a ski pole in either hand, a Kifaru gun bearer might come in handy.
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02-06-2004, 22:03
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The document you gave me was delicious! I learned many things.There is always something to learn.
I have a little question: what is a VS-17?
thank you.
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02-06-2004, 22:04
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Quote:
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If you have a ski pole in either hand, a Kifaru gun bearer might come in handy.
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Now why in the hell would anybody carry a ski pole in the jungle?
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02-06-2004, 22:05
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I have a little question: what is a VS-17?
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Visual Signal # 17 of course.
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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02-06-2004, 22:09
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why yes... the EGL does make the MMP sling
Slings are good for certain applications, but OTOH, I would also agree with ND about it imparting a crutch mentality.
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what you mean by EGL and MMP sling??
Thank you.
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02-06-2004, 22:14
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what you mean by EGL and MMP sling??
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Shouldn't you come with a glossary, or a dictionary?
You need to learn to Google, install the tool bar, and use it.
Here is your first search: JCS Pub 1-02, DoD Dictionary of Military and Associated Terms
TR
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02-06-2004, 22:50
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Originally posted by The Reaper
DF:
Shouldn't you come with a glossary, or a dictionary?
You need to learn to Google, install the tool bar, and use it.
Here is your first search: JCS Pub 1-02, DoD Dictionary of Military and Associated Terms
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Oh! I had it but I just never took the time to get use with it. 
Thank you to remember me this source.
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02-06-2004, 23:21
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the EGGROLL GEAR LABS is a small basement run gear shack (oh wait a minute, thats me) that happens to offer the Modular Manly Package sling.
www.google.com <---- use this, I am sure that there is a French equivalent.
if it seems like folks are giving you a hard time is that it seems like you're asking ??s like popping shots in the dark for no reason.
If you were direct your line of questioning and build upon something of substance, you may be able to get some more benefit.
The gunbearer as configured on my pack is to strap carry a longarm in the ruck while I carry a smaller personal weapon (unslung).
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02-06-2004, 23:24
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VS17 panel
a vinyl/nylon panel which is dayglow internation orange on one side and San Francisco Magenta on the opposite. Used for AG signalling by ground troops.
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02-07-2004, 05:54
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VS17 panel
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I knew there was something Very Gay about VS-17's, I always felt so dirty after using them..........
Or it was just Rotor Wash 
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02-13-2004, 13:50
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Personally I alway's use a sling. A good tac sling adjusted right, keeps it right on your chest, and lets you use your hands for, oh say, climbing stuff, picking stuff up, and if it goes down, it's much faster to grab a pistol, then to try to fix your long gun.
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02-13-2004, 14:13
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This thread should be called "The Urbanization of SF". LOL
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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02-28-2004, 11:31
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From a snipers point of view the gunbearer is a great idea. If your going to be humping into your a/o and don't necessarily need or want to patrol with a bolt gun, the gunbearer fits the bill perfectly.
As soon as I have the cash I'm placing an order for a Kifaru MMR with the gunbearer.
NND...then I won't have to drag my rifle around in the dirt like an airman
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