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Old 07-27-2013, 16:03   #16
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Just remember - this is all being pushed by the same people who thought the school Debate Team deserved the same Varsity Letter as the Football Team.

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Old 07-27-2013, 18:35   #17
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I keep telling myself.....5 years and I'm retirement eligible.

I'm in a low-density MOS. I have yet to hear any female (even those assigned to support SF and SOF) claim any desire to get out and "Mix it up" with any true believers.

This again, is always pushed by those with no skin in the fight.

I'm in that category myself, and I'm closer to the road than most have or ever will be by the nature of whom I work for and support.

Sad, just sad.

I agree with the shooting before dawn. Shouldn't be hard, apologists never seem to be out of bed before first light anyway.
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Old 07-27-2013, 19:02   #18
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Will they really have the numbers to be able to have separate combat training for women?
Sure.

They can do it by correspondence course.

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Old 07-27-2013, 19:57   #19
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Will they really have the numbers to be able to have separate combat training for women?
Not presently, but never, never underestimate the power of stupidity.
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Old 07-27-2013, 21:30   #20
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And the liberal mantra of the primacy of "Equality of Outcome" over "Equality of Opportunity" regardless of the consequences drum beat grows louder...

The death rattle of our country in general and our military in particular is deafening...
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Old 07-28-2013, 04:45   #21
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Is this a move to get around, or in addition to, allowing women in SF? Frankly, I don't see how it would work either way and is a dumb idea. It seems to me that power brokers with no skin in the game come up with these brilliant plans for social experiments, and then do nothing when there is fallout from implementation. Very bad place for social experimenting.
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Old 07-28-2013, 07:58   #22
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Just remember - this is all being pushed by the same people who thought the school Debate Team deserved the same Varsity Letter as the Football Team.
I miss the point. Although I do not agree with all that seems to be happening with the on-going gender wars, I am one of those who believe those who represent a school in interscholastic competition on a sponsored academic team do, in fact, deserve the same "Varsity Letter" as those who represent the school in interscholastic athletic competition.

The "Varsity Letter" is awarded students who represent the school while competing in extracurricular activities - whether academic (debate, robotics, academic decathalon, etc) or athletic - and perform to a specified standard for a specified period of time.

The letter is a symbol of having risen to the challenge, and there are specific pins which are attached to the letter to show the activity in which one excelled. For example, crossed rifles for either JROTC drill team or marksmanship team, a tennis racquet for tennis team, a megaphone for cheerleading, a gavel for mock trial competition, etc. Many schools also use a sew-on patch with a year to indicate sports participation - e.g., a small football or basketball or winged foot sewn on the jacket's sleeve with the year for each year the student played and earned letter recognition in the sport.

Many schools - and we were one - also allow faculty to purchase "varsity letter jackets" for wear to such extracurricular competitions as a show of (1) pride in their students and school as well as (2) recognition of their role in "coaching" (mentoring) them and its importance to their academic and extracurricular success.

Just my $.02 to consider.

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Old 07-28-2013, 08:52   #23
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It's very simple. In HS I participated in two of the examples you cited: JROTC drill team and marksmanship team; 3-years each, with winning seasons in both "sports". My school district didn't give letters for it and that didn't/doesn't bother me. Perhaps we just weren't/aren't enlightened enough to understand that everybody deserves a trophy simply for "representing the school".
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Old 07-28-2013, 09:13   #24
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Perhaps we just weren't/aren't enlightened enough to understand that everybody deserves a trophy simply for "representing the school".
FWIW - it wasn't just representation or participation, and not everyone received them; it was recognition for achieving a specified level of noteworthy achievement in "interscholastic competition."

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Old 07-28-2013, 11:49   #25
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It's ALL about that last star . . .

Up there in the thin atmosphere of the Lt. Gens. you will NEVER have a short supply of General candidates willing to agree with whatever harebrained idea floated by the current citizens in charge. Like, um, water isn't wet. They gotta keep eyes on the prize. What you think does not matter to them.
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Winning at District and Regional level where every school had a JROTC program isn't "a specified level of noteworthy achievement in "interscholastic competition"? Interesting.
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Old 07-28-2013, 20:32   #27
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Winning at District and Regional level where every school had a JROTC program isn't "a specified level of noteworthy achievement in "interscholastic competition"? Interesting.
Huh?

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Old 07-28-2013, 23:06   #28
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I got letters for being on the debate team when I was in high school. Didn't wear them because I thought it was really gay to take something historically associated with sports and extend it to other activities.

That said, I find the suggestion that debate is not a difficult and challenging activity requiring tons of preparation, hard work, talent and skill to be completely ignorant.
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Old 07-29-2013, 07:22   #29
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Not presently, but never, never underestimate the power of stupidity.
Or the power of politics. The more ludicrous the suggestion, the harder to implement. So everyone can act like they are taking this "position" without ever actually doing anything.

Training is under discretionary spending. When the budget is proposed for this asinine idea, it may drop back out of sight.

By the way, the Army entrance requirements will have to change first. Those 2 inches difference wreak havoc on a 30 inch step.

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Old 07-29-2013, 09:14   #30
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I am FULLY supportive of a 100% gender integrated force with only a few reasonable caveats...


...I want to see the governmnet DEMAND that the NBA end segregation and start giving contracts to female basketball players. Clearly, there are women that can run circles around men on the courts.

...end womens tennis. Women can beat men at tennis. Desegregate tennis.

...get rid of the different t-box on the golf course. There are women that golf better than men. Its time to end discrimination on the gold course. Eliminate the WPGA and let them play in the same league as men.

...get rid of softball. That shit is just plain stupid. If females can throw a softball fast for strikes, surely they can throw a much lighter and smaller baseball past most men.


If winning doesn't matter, then lets stop pretending that it does.
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