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Old 06-23-2022, 09:16   #1546
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The decision came down today:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinion...0-843_7j80.pdf

From page 15 of the decision:

“In sum, the Courts of Appeals’ second step is inconsistent with Heller’s historical approach and its rejection of means-end scrutiny. We reiterate that the standard for applying the Second Amendment is as follows: When the Second Amendment’s plain text covers an individual’s conduct, the Constitution presumptively protects that conduct. The government must then justify its regulation by demonstrating that it is consistent with the Nation’s historical tradition of firearm regulation. Only then may a court conclude that the individual’s conduct falls outside the Second Amendment’s “unqualified command.” Konigsberg, 366 U. S., at 50, n. 10.”
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Old 06-23-2022, 11:15   #1547
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'...the Second Amendment’s “unqualified command.” Konigsberg, 366 U. S., at 50, n. 10.”
Extremely artful. All those folks who keep threatening to leave America, please: Stop teasing us. NY Gov Hochul is really steamed. In a Republic this is a good thing.

GC's link is a worthy read. Some dominos in other states are getting ready to fall.
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Old 06-23-2022, 14:30   #1548
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In a Republic this is a good thing.
Yes sir. A victory for the republic.
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Old 06-26-2022, 19:38   #1549
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Look what happened to Brazil when gun laws were loosened.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/more-le...on-11656268995
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Old 06-27-2022, 16:07   #1550
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One of the first state responses I've seen, other than donkeys braying to TV cameras.

https://www.anjrpc.org/page/NJDropsJustifiableNeed

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At the close of business today, and in light of the Bruen decision, the New Jersey Attorney General issued a directive to law enforcement agencies and prosecutors mandating that NJ carry permit applications now be processed WITHOUT an applicant having to prove "justifiable need."
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Old 06-30-2022, 18:12   #1551
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CVRs for NJ, HI, CA, and MD as a consequence of NYSRPA v Bruen.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/...22zor_5he6.pdf
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Old 07-01-2022, 04:09   #1552
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CVRs for NJ, HI, CA, and MD as a consequence of NYSRPA v Bruen.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/...22zor_5he6.pdf
Yup. The gift that keeps on giving. "Now lower courts, go unscrew yourselves."
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Old 07-01-2022, 06:22   #1553
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NFA

Now, on to repealing the ban on new manufacture of MG’s. The “history” of the 2a tells us that a group of ordinary citizens stockpiled “military arms” and picked a fight with a tyrannical super-power on a bridge in Massachusetts back in April, 1775. Since EVERY single Soldier, Sailor, Marine, and Airman is trained on and generally issued a Machine-Gun, the ordinary citizen should have access to the same.

While I don’t like or personally agree with the $200 Stamp, the complete ban on MG’s should now be viewed (at least by the courts) as un-Constitutional…..
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Old 07-01-2022, 06:40   #1554
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Now, on to repealing the ban on new manufacture of MG’s. The “history” of the 2a tells us that a group of ordinary citizens stockpiled “military arms” and picked a fight with a tyrannical super-power on a bridge in Massachusetts back in April, 1775. Since EVERY single Soldier, Sailor, Marine, and Airman is trained on and generally issued a Machine-Gun, the ordinary citizen should have access to the same.

While I don’t like or personally agree with the $200 Stamp, the complete ban on MG’s should now be viewed (at least by the courts) as un-Constitutional…..

I'm not asking for much - just that my government work as hard to protect MY freedoms as they are for people in Ukraine.
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Old 07-01-2022, 08:25   #1555
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While I don’t like or personally agree with the $200 Stamp, the complete ban on MG’s should now be viewed (at least by the courts) as un-Constitutional…..
Originally that $$ amount was viewed as being a deal breaker for many. The fee hasn't changed and here we are in 2022. I'd like to know what other type of "background check" is being done that's several orders of magnitude more thorough than the phone call into NICS to buy a firearm - yet takes months in some cases depending on whether you want to SBR your pistol, or it's a can that's in jail for a year.

IMO, the whole thing needs to go away.
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Old 07-01-2022, 08:31   #1556
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it doesn't take a lot of research to find that the original cost of 'the stamp' was arbitrary - the government knew then (as they know now) that the NFA was not going to curb crime - the stamp was set at that price because it absolutely priced legal ownership well beyond the grasp of the rank and file citizen...

Right from the ATF Website:
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While the NFA was enacted by Congress as an exercise of its authority to tax, the NFA had an underlying purpose unrelated to revenue collection. As the legislative history of the law discloses, its underlying purpose was to curtail, if not prohibit, transactions in NFA firearms. Congress found these firearms to pose a significant crime problem because of their frequent use in crime, particularly the gangland crimes of that era such as the St. Valentine’s Day Massacre. The $200 making and transfer taxes on most NFA firearms were considered quite severe and adequate to carry out Congress’ purpose to discourage or eliminate transactions in these firearms. The $200 tax has not changed since 1934.
They knew citizens couldn't afford it and criminals wouldn't pursue it because IT SERVES AS A REGISTRATION DATA BASE and criminals don't register their weapons. Gun control isn't about guns - its about control.
...of course I ask that you forget the fact that it was crime on crime violence co-mingled with elements of government corruption while THE CITIZENS got left holding the bag with an infringement on their rights and a directive to pay "taxes" secondary to shitty governance and even shittier police work


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Old 07-01-2022, 09:33   #1557
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Now, on to repealing the ban on new manufacture of MG’s. The “history” of the 2a tells us that a group of ordinary citizens stockpiled “military arms” and picked a fight with a tyrannical super-power on a bridge in Massachusetts back in April, 1775. Since EVERY single Soldier, Sailor, Marine, and Airman is trained on and generally issued a Machine-Gun, the ordinary citizen should have access to the same.

While I don’t like or personally agree with the $200 Stamp, the complete ban on MG’s should now be viewed (at least by the courts) as un-Constitutional…..
Now that the 2nd Amendment has been put on par with the other rights listed in the Bill of Rights, it’s time to apply Murdock v. Pennsylvania.

The government has already conceded that machine guns are legal, they’re just taxable.
Time to eliminate that taxing burden and then the associated bureaucratic nonsense won’t have a legal anchor.
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Old 07-06-2022, 02:22   #1558
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Lets go back to 1939 US vs. Miller. Tax on a sawed off shotgun was upheld to the NFA because it wasn't a militia weapon at the time. WWI used 20" shotguns. The opinion stated militia weapons were constitutional. Today select fire short barreled rifles with suppressors are the infantryman's weapon (M4/M5). Short barreled shotguns of 10" and 14" are issued to US military in the 870 MCS and M26 (under barreled)

Go back to the Second Militia Act of 1792. 18-45 yo were required to bring their own arms (ie militia weapons of the time) with ammo, bayonet, hatchet and kit. Read todays 10US Code 246 Militia: Organized and Unorganized. The Unorganized are NOT supplied arms and therefore implied need to supply their own. The NFA is in violation of Text, History and Tradition and there for unconstitutional. As there were NO bans on militia weapons till that time. Sullivan Act was 1902 and just found unconstitutional.


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Old 07-06-2022, 09:34   #1559
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If nothing else, I'm enjoying a great deal of schadenfreude as millions of American lib abortion supporters are suddenly learning what being a gun owner in the US is like.
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Old 07-07-2022, 20:06   #1560
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Now, on to repealing the ban on new manufacture of MG’s. The “history” of the 2a tells us that a group of ordinary citizens stockpiled “military arms” and picked a fight with a tyrannical super-power on a bridge in Massachusetts back in April, 1775. Since EVERY single Soldier, Sailor, Marine, and Airman is trained on and generally issued a Machine-Gun, the ordinary citizen should have access to the same.

While I don’t like or personally agree with the $200 Stamp, the complete ban on MG’s should now be viewed (at least by the courts) as un-Constitutional…..
Well... let's see what happens. ("Autokeycard" case)

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A fresh U.S. Supreme Court gun-rights ruling should make a 78-year-old law regulating machine guns unconstitutional and invalidate a YouTube celebrity’s gun-crime indictment with an Orange Park man, his lawyers are arguing.

Lawyers for Matthew Hoover, a Wisconsin gun dealer whose YouTube channel has 148,000 subscribers, have asked U.S. District Judge Marcia Morales Howard to dismiss his January indictment with Clay County resident Kristopher Ervin, who was charged last year with selling illegal machine-gun conversion equipment online.

Hoover’s lawyers asked Howard last week to rule that the National Firearms Act, a 1934 law that restricted machine gun ownership by creating a tax and license requirement on them, conflicts with the U Constitution's Second Amendment guarantee of a right to bear arms.

They argued the law violates a standard the Supreme Court used last month to decide a New York law on gun ownership was unconstitutional, so the federal law must be unconstitutional too.
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