03-26-2004, 10:52
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Guerrilla
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Originally posted by Greenhat
I feel the same. Anyone who thinks that they have privacy on the internet or on their cell phone is kidding themselves.
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Exactly
When I was an email admin I did indeed read emails sent by employees of the company I worked for and mail they received from the outside
You have ZERO privacy on the net and on a cell phone
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03-26-2004, 10:58
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Quiet Professional
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I'm sorry but I can't agree with the reasoning. There is enough snooping going on without removing all constraints. To say that $hit happens is a reason for relaxing laws is inviting anarchy or worse, a totalitarian government. If there is a reason, get a warrent -- I think that is the way of the U.S. Constitution.
I realize someone may be peeking when I'm taking a dump but I would still rather do it behind closed doors than take a dump on the lawn.
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03-26-2004, 11:13
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Here 's a stick
Would you be intereted in monitoring cell phones and yes it's illegal. Unblocked reciever is available for $432.00 plus tax and shipping. II you are interested PM me.
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03-26-2004, 11:19
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I agree with QRQ 30 about the privacy thing. However, if you are on the job and doing shit you aren't supposed to (looking at porn or surfing the web all day instead of doing your assigned tasks) it's a matter of simply removing the distraction. Take the web off the computers and remove the right to e-mail any unscreened mail from the terminals.
Now from the homeowner's perspective (or the private citiizen) you should have to acquire a search warrant first. There are some unsavory folks out there that will be doing things they shouldn't. You need to have an artculatable justification for the need to get into a person's privacy. (Cell phones, home phones, mail or e-mail).
From an LE perspective, I would always get a search warrant just to keep it from getting throw out of court. Judges can be very fickle these days.
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03-26-2004, 11:20
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Another "Stick" to make a pile:
The reason (IMO) behind the 2nd Ammendment was to allow the people to defend themselves against a Government which was becoming despotic and was eroding our freedoms.
I'm not a radical survivalist but want to maintain what few freedoms I have left.
To me "Unreasonable search" means get a warrent.
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03-26-2004, 11:43
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Quote:
Originally posted by QRQ 30
I realize someone may be peeking when I'm taking a dump but I would still rather do it behind closed doors than take a dump on the lawn.
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Poor analogy. When you use email or the internet, or a cell phone, you're taking your dump in your front yard and hoping people have something better to do than to look at you.
It is an illusion to believe there is privacy. I've seen hundreds of emails end up stuck in a server with the headers stripped and someone having to read every one of them to see if they can figure out where they are supposed to go. Not much privacy for those messages.
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03-26-2004, 12:33
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Quiet Professional
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WOW!! Sum O y'all are too smart for me. I am going to have to watch my vocabulary and examples.
I have no dilusions of privacy. However I oppose making an illegal act legal just because it is done. I live here and fought for certain rights and do not want to see those rights eroded in the name of safety.
If I may, this is akin to mommy not allowing Johnny to ride a bike because he may get hurt.
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Originally posted by Greenhat
I feel the same. Anyone who thinks that they have privacy on the internet or on their cell phone is kidding themselves.
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03-27-2004, 00:49
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Guerrilla Chief
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I agree with both points of view. While I certainly don't expect privacy in my e-mails or cellphone usage, I still expect that my government isn't the one doing the snooping. If there is some reason for them to get a warrant to monitor me, then so be it. I speak in code anyway, so good luck to them!
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03-27-2004, 11:17
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It's a slippery slope, and establishing legal precedents can be a dangerous issue.
In England we have CCTVs everywhere, which has become somewhat of an issue of privacy.
In terms of the internet, I like the analogy- visiting a website is like visiting a store. People can see you go in and out, and there is absolutely no reason they shouldn't.
I have a friend who is making a New York Times-sponsored documentary on this, so if anyone has any ideas, I would love to hear them.
Thanks,
Solid
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03-27-2004, 21:29
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Quiet Professional
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Quote for the day:
Give me liberty and pity the poor fool who tries to take it away from me!!
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