SFQC Class Number

[longrange1947]

Just found my TDY orders to Fort Sam for 300F1.
Purpose: Attend Cl 69-5 Medical Aidman Crs (300-F-1)

These orders were dated 8 Oct 68. I am still looking for my 91A orders and 05B orders.

Now my hazardous duty orders for Medical OJT at Martin Army says class 4 but without a date, then again that is another section.

I can't find any other orders for that time right now. My diplomas have no class numbers on them at all. Only course and grad dates.

[Mr Furious]

Class 01-87

[x SF med]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

Hmm.

I always thought the FY for the U.S. started on 1 Oct.

The class numbers, IIRC, started with 1 for the first class of the new FY and proceed till the last class to start that FY.

They are now sequential.

TR

Ah hell, I added an extras finger in doing the months to names... Sorry TR, I meant October... a brain -finger synapse paresthesia must have occurred... Nah, I just screwed up.

Does the MacKall gig pit still have the sign that Reads "Pain Purifies" as you enter and "Wanna Quit?" as you exit? Is there even a gig pit at MacKall anymore? I mean there are barracks out there now...

[Last hard class]

Started in Nov 83 and finished in April 84. Our class number in phase 3 was not the same as phase one and two. There was no break between phases. I do remember an unusually high number of people joining us at phase three. More than the normal medic additions. Maybe we meshed two classes?

We had quite a few Iraqi officers in our class. They were the good guys back then. I still remember a group of them sitting around a fire throwing on logs covered with poison oak and breathing in the smoke. No one offered to advise them this was a bad idea. They had performed extremely poorly during the course but knew they would not be terminated. (seems there was an incident with a Central American officer who recently failed the course) This gave them a fairly arrogant attitude. I suspect that changed some years later.

[x SF med]

Originally Posted by Last hard class

Started in Nov 83 and finished in April 84. Our class number in phase 3 was not the same as phase one and two. There was no break between phases. I do remember an unusually high number of people joining us at phase three. More than the normal medic additions. Maybe we meshed two classes?

We had quite a few Iraqi officers in our class. They were the good guys back then. I still remember a group of them sitting around a fire throwing on logs covered with poison oak and breathing in the smoke. No one offered to advise them this was a bad idea. They had performed extremely poorly during the course but knew they would not be terminated. (seems there was an incident with a Central American officer who recently failed the course) This gave them a fairly arrogant attitude. I suspect that changed some years later.

That was your Team? I was one of the "add-ons" in Phase 3 to your class, as an 11B... A lot of the other guys coming in were medics that had just finished Med-Lab or Commo guys that finished up Code... back then - those were the two long courses...

It snowed on my team during the recon at the final objective...

[lksteve]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

I always thought the FY for the U.S. started on 1 Oct.:

Prior to 74 or 75, the Federal FY began in July...one quarter was added to stretch the budget back around the time we were Whipping Inflation....More year, same money...that is a one-time, maybe two-time good deal...

[longrange1947]

Actaully, if I remember correctly, the Dems, at the time, swore that they could reach a budget agreement better if they had three more months to work on it.

Seems to have worked out well, what do you guys think?

[Pete]

Originally Posted by lksteve

Prior to 74 or 75, the Federal FY began in July...one quarter was added to stretch the budget back around the time we were Whipping Inflation....More year, same money...that is a one-time, maybe two-time good deal...

Remember the trick they used years ago when money was short. Payday used to be the last day of the month. To "save" money they moved payday to the first of September into "next year's" budget.

Didn't save any real money, just looked good on paper and they could only do it once.

[greenberetTFS]

Originally Posted by Pete

Remember the trick they used years ago when money was short. Payday used to be the last day of the month. To "save" money they moved payday to the first of September into "next year's" budget.

Didn't save any real money, just looked good on paper and they could only do it once.

Speaking of money,when did they stop paying in "script" ?

Big Teddy

[Last hard class]

Originally Posted by greenberetTFS

Speaking of money,when did they stop paying in "script" ?

Big Teddy

1973

Don't worry though, you can still convert MPC dollars into confederate money

Originally Posted by Dozer523

Wait a minute, assuming 7 classes per year then 247 classes only takes you back 35 years.
My diploma just has the dates 2 July - 21 November 1986 (signed by Col McClure and BG Guest)

Don't quote me on this, but if my memory serves me (and it often times does not) 7 classes per year has not always been the norm. There were 5 classes per year and sometimes 4 from the late 1980s through late 1990s much of the time with 6 or 7 only occasionally. I was in class 5-92 and the class behind us was 1-93.

Remember, SF was not hurting for bodies a lot of times and ran a lot of good guys out of SWC and sent them to division for years. There were also periods when they were completely unable to fill class seats and had to cancel and condense classes and had a surplus of students-in-wait hanging around for a class to start.

Anyway, if you repeat your math using an average of 4 to 6 (5) it puts class #1 in 1966'ish (didn't use a calculator so it may be off +/- a couple). That puts the date a little more in the ballpark of where it should be.

I am curious which class is considered as the official SFQC Class #1.

Edit: I know which class number I was in (5-92), but my diploma does not mention it, just dates and the course number.

Be safe,
Randy

Originally Posted by rltipton

There were also periods when they were completely unable to fill class seats and had to cancel and condense classes and had a surplus of students-in-wait hanging around for a class to start.

I was one of those nuckle-heads reporting everyday to the BN Staff Duty NCO, (two months).

Sometimes it was working in the office, wearing BDU's. Other times, it was the yellow banana PT gear on a work detail picking up pine cones, painting, or hanging new rope on obstackles at MacKall. Which by the way was a great way to G2 the grounds and plant caches on the land nav cource.

Of cource I never did that, it's just I heard some other fellas talk about it.

[2018commo]

I did phase one with 2-80, phase 3 with 3-80 due to code speed. 1-80 went out in late November, we went out in Feb. We called our selves the first easy class as CM had left for another outfit. I never met the man but his rep was bad assed, it was like the whole camp had exhaled. The TACs anounced the US beat the USSR (Hockey) on the loud speaker we thought it was psyops! I remember over twenty inches of snow at the end of phase 1, we ended up walking back to Mackall. We also had a guy struck by lightening in phase 3, he graduated but I heard he died later.

[CSB]

Back when the fiscal year started on July 1, each class was numbered beginning with the number one, followed by the fiscal year in which the funds were appropriated for that class. The next class was number 2 dash (FY), etc.

This could lead to the goofy situation of my Special Forces Officers Course, the first for Fiscal Year 1975 (Fiscal Year 1976 began on July 1, 1975 and ended June 30, 1976). We therefore were class "1-76," even though the class was conducted from September - December, entirely within calendar year 1975.

That changed in 1976, when the U.S. Government started the fiscal year on October 1.

[Stras]

Originally Posted by rltipton

I was in class 5-92 and the class behind us was 1-93.

Edit: I know which class number I was in (5-92), but my diploma does not mention it, just dates and the course number.

Be safe,
Randy

I got as far as Dish's memorial service info in my box of trinkets, and stopped. Hard to believe it's been 2 years since he passed away. I think that our class number is on the SFQC Graduation program.

The class behind us was 6-92, they started in Aug or Sep of 92 just prior to the fiscal year.