Old 07-22-2004, 21:10   #31
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Diet soda is for women.

What do you infer from that?

I am now drinking beer. I prefer it to diet soda.
I am inferring that you are calling me a girlie-man because I drink diet soda.

Maybe you should ask one of the gents here with the green felt hats who know me if I strike them as effeminate?

Or just step up to the plate, and come see for yourself.

As a military servicemember, I am not permitted to drink beer during duty hours because I prefer it to diet soda. In fact, on most deployments, we are not permitted to drink at all.

Legal offices have different policies, I am sure.

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Old 07-23-2004, 07:45   #32
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Maybe you should ask one of the gents here with the green felt hats who know me if I strike them as effeminate?
Uh, no.
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Old 07-23-2004, 08:56   #33
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TR- Peter Tripp stayed awake for longer than that an may have suffered severe psychological repricussions as a result. Certainly, he began to experience delusions which prevented him from operating on a day-to-day basis. Experiments of sleep deprivation performed on cats suggests that sleep deprivation will eventually kill you.
Wow. Maybe that is why I am so fucked up.



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Old 07-23-2004, 09:39   #34
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Google:

http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/...hiftwork/96742

http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/p980301b.html

Several articles on Tripp blame his divorces and many jobs on the sleep-dep stunt, but the payola scandal broke at the same time so it may be the case that the poor character came first. I dunno.
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Old 07-23-2004, 13:05   #35
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Yep! It's important to note the immediate effects of delusion and dementia, though... Those were definetly caused by the sleep deprivation.

Interestingly, although not necessarily applicable to PS boardmembers, one way of staying awake is to remove the presence of 'zeitgebers' from your working environment. Zeitgebers are 'time givers', or both ontogenous and exogenous factors which trigger cycles within your body (like the sleep cycle). While we try to alter our internal sleep cycle with caffeine and other drugs, we can also alter those external factors. Try eating dinner later, or continuing to eat food while working. Also, work under artificial light with no sight of the outside world. Controlled temperature can also help, as can a maintained level of background noise. Controlling these factors gives you a degree of control over your bodily cycles, like the sleep cycle.

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Old 07-23-2004, 14:33   #36
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I read a book once. (Imagine that) The book was a tribute to some Rangers and some "Special" Soldiers about a now famous event. In this book they briefly dropped the word the "Drone Zone". It was described that the Drone Zone occured after you have been awake for more than 24hrs and how these "Special" Soldiers were trained to work right through the Drone Zone with little effect on there work.

Also in Billy Waughs book he says that he usually only got a few hours of sleep a night like 3-4 hours a night day in and day out without it effecting his quality of work.

My questions is not if this is true or not but, can you do it? Can you train yourself to be able to stay awake for 36-48hrs without it seriously effecting your skills? Whatever they maybe such as being a Lawyer in RL's case, Cop, a Soldier, a Mechanic or a Doctor.
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Old 07-23-2004, 14:49   #37
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No trouble staying awake here... insomonia.

Other than sleeping pills (not something I want to try), any suggestions for countering it?
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Old 07-23-2004, 15:02   #38
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Take a HOT shower or bath about an hour before you need to be asleep
Don't eat heavy at night
Limit TV, computer and video time late
Read
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Avoid tea, coke and caffeine after lunch
check stress levels
deep breathing


I have it too. PT helps me more than anything else.
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.

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Old 07-23-2004, 16:05   #39
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I suffered from sleeplessness about a month ago. Much depends on if it arises from physical or psychological causes. Are you particularly stressed about anything?

Melatonin pills are natural and may have a positive effect, so you might want to give them a shot.

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Old 07-23-2004, 19:55   #40
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I still get insomnia even though I haven't worked shifts for 6 weeks now.

It sucks big time. But on the up side, I think better at night now.
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Old 07-23-2004, 20:19   #41
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Thanks for the input.

Haven't tried melatonin - had tried kava-kava, but read it is unhealthy after all so dropped it. Hardly ever have caffeine after 19:00. Don't eat much in evening. Not an aerobics bunny - mostly walking and pilates. (Note: Female push-ups at 40 are guaranteed the winning $10,000 on 'Funniest Home Videos, aren't they?) "Not allowed," to read in bed. LOL - total black-out rules apply for my hard working guy. Fair enough.

Pattern: Can not let go the need to be in a constant state of awareness/alert. I can be dead tired, nodding and almost out, then snap fully awake and head out on the prowl for glitches in the matrix or new incoming information. This pattern repeats over and over nightly. Years of on call or being the "go to... " ??

Long/short: I am certain the key in my case is in learning skills to turn the switch to "off" when it is not mission critical. Brain vs. body. Body tires, brain doesn't as it should.

I can't think of a better place to learn skills related to this type of behavior than here. It feels quite lame to post whines in this arena when it comes to job stress or responsibility, but if I can't learn from the knowledge and experience here, I can't learn skills anywhere. Shoot at will - Kevlar donned.

Sock it to me...


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Old 07-24-2004, 03:45   #42
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I think I am familiar with the state you describe. I found that intense, almost destructive, PT drained my body so effectively that my brain, while still alert, could NOT prevent my body from going to sleep. My PT schedule involved half marathons and ridiculous systems of pressups, situps, and explosive sports like basketball. Within two days, I was sleeping again.

On the other hand, however, I found that my sleep was not necessarily good sleep- I would wake up continuously during the night (maybe a result of the brain?) but over time this faded and now I sleep fine.

You might also want to see a work-stress psychologist for possible behavioural treatments?

Melatonin is a naturally occuring substance within the brain which is involved in the sleep-shutdown cycle. Supplementing it in the short term will not have any negative effects, although your body might become dependent in the long term.

HTH,

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Old 07-24-2004, 05:18   #43
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I am inferring that you are calling me a girlie-man because I drink diet soda.

Maybe you should ask one of the gents here with the green felt hats who know me if I strike them as effeminate?

Or just step up to the plate, and come see for yourself.

As a military servicemember, I am not permitted to drink beer during duty hours because I prefer it to diet soda. In fact, on most deployments, we are not permitted to drink at all.

Legal offices have different policies, I am sure.

TR
My felt hat's not green... However,

Having met The Reaper, I wouldn't refer to him as "effeminate". I wouldn't recommend it either.


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I used something along those lines during OIF during a mission. I don't know if the ones Doc had were extra strength or what, but I didn't like the side effects.
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Old 07-24-2004, 06:07   #44
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Thanks, Solid.
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Old 07-24-2004, 07:02   #45
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Also in Billy Waughs book he says that he usually only got a few hours of sleep a night like 3-4 hours a night day in and day out without it effecting his quality of work.
I've been doing the same for most of my life. Sleeping more than 6 hours a night actually results in me being tired the next day.
I assume that it is due to natural sleep cycles and need (individuals vary). I do remember being told once that the body needs 2 hours of sleep per 24 for those bodily functions mentioned, the balance of the time needed was for psychological reasons.
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