Old 05-09-2004, 08:57   #16
Bill Harsey
Bladesmith to the Quiet Professionals
 
Bill Harsey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Oregon, Land of the Silver Grey Sunsets
Posts: 3,879
Quote:
Originally posted by Desert Fox
Hi Sir,

I meet black bears.
Black bears hurt far more humans than Browns, Kodiaks (Grizzly). Bill
Bill Harsey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2004, 09:05   #17
Desert Fox
Guerrilla
 
Desert Fox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: New Brunswick Canada
Posts: 181
Quote:
Originally posted by The Reaper
About here is where we will insert the standard legal disclaimer that it is illegal, immoral, and mostly, just plain insane to attempt to defend yourself with a knife against the size of bears you are likely to encounter in the Canadian wilds.

I am not an attorney, or even familiar with Canadian laws, but you may want to consider the moral dilemma of whether it is better to violate a law and carry a non-lethal can of OC to be used only to defend a life, or to carry a knife which may also be illegal, to seriously injure or kill a bear while risking your own life in the same scenario.

You have a tough decision, good luck.

TR
Yes sir, I'm asking myself exactly the same question.This is still illegal for me to drag a foot long Fairbain Sykes.Every thing more than 6 inches (blade+handle) is illegal in canada, until you keep them for a personnal collection.There are some pressure to totally ban every knife more than 6 inches, and too thick.
The problem with pepper spray is that its hard to find in Canada.And I can't import from the US.That's why I tought about some powder extinguisher.I've use one in a house and just the secondary smoking result was harder to breath than the fire smoke itself.I think a sharp blast can have a good effect.By the way, I have a smoke screen to withdraw.

I still prefer to be seen with a Pepper spray can than a 'born to kill super ninja' knife. By the time I can find one can, a small fire extinguisher will be good.
__________________
True fitness is task-oriented.
Desert Fox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2004, 09:06   #18
Bill Harsey
Bladesmith to the Quiet Professionals
 
Bill Harsey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Oregon, Land of the Silver Grey Sunsets
Posts: 3,879
Bears can attack humans for reasons we'll never be certain of. Bear can have a tooth ache. Bears can be wounded and in a bad mood from losing a fight with another bear, be defending a food kill that we don't see, have young ones around that we don't see. Some bears just have a downright anti social attitude. Bear could be wounded from encounter with another human. Don't try to predict bears. Best of luck Sir.
Bill Harsey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2004, 09:10   #19
Desert Fox
Guerrilla
 
Desert Fox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: New Brunswick Canada
Posts: 181
Quote:
Originally posted by Bill Harsey
Black bears hurt far more humans than Browns, Kodiaks (Grizzly). Bill
Hi sir,

Another base I went is called Valcartier.There, just around the running path a woman runner was killed by a bear attack.I just met one bear at Valcartier.
Here at Gagetown New Brunswick it's worse.
__________________
True fitness is task-oriented.
Desert Fox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2004, 09:12   #20
Desert Fox
Guerrilla
 
Desert Fox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: New Brunswick Canada
Posts: 181
Quote:
Originally posted by Bill Harsey
Bears can attack humans for reasons we'll never be certain of. Bear can have a tooth ache. Bears can be wounded and in a bad mood from losing a fight with another bear, be defending a food kill that we don't see, have young ones around that we don't see. Some bears just have a downright anti social attitude. Bear could be wounded from encounter with another human. Don't try to predict bears. Best of luck Sir.
Thank you for those interesting informations.
How fast can a black bear runs?
__________________
True fitness is task-oriented.
Desert Fox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2004, 10:09   #21
gk404
Asset
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Canada
Posts: 39
Quote:
Originally posted by Desert Fox
Thank you for those interesting informations.
How fast can a black bear runs?
Lean bears can exceed 30 mph. Can run uphill, downhill, or on level ground. Fat bears in winter coats overheat and tire quickly.

Edited to add:
Greatest misconception: The greatest misconception about black bears is that they are likely to attack people in defense of cubs. They are highly unlikely to do this. Black bear researchers often capture screaming cubs in the presence of bluff-charging mothers with no attacks. Defense of cubs is a grizzly bear trait. About 70 percent of human deaths from grizzly bears are from mothers defending cubs, but black bear mothers have not been known to kill anyone in defense of cubs.

Source

Last edited by gk404; 05-09-2004 at 10:11.
gk404 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2004, 10:15   #22
gk404
Asset
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Canada
Posts: 39
Here's some more good intel on black bears: *Click*
gk404 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2004, 10:37   #23
Air.177
Quiet Professional
 
Air.177's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Central TX
Posts: 1,390
You need a Surefire M6, I am not certain, but a flashlight should be legal everywhere.

From the Surefire website:

My SureFire M6 may have saved my life! I was walking out of my home on a moonless night in the Colorado Mountains when I heard the snapping of twigs and branches. I used my M6 to light up the area and discovered an unusually large black bear watching me. To my pleasure, the blinding light of the M6 drove him deep into the woods.
This year, Colorado residents have experienced a large number of bear encounters. We experienced a late freeze in the spring, greatly reducing the bear's natural food supply of berries.

There have been several bear attacks this year resulting in severe injuries in a couple of cases. I feel very fortunate to have had my M6 with me. Thank you SureFire, the M6 is a true friend!

Dan Legg
Conifer, Colorado
Air.177 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2004, 10:55   #24
The Reaper
Quiet Professional
 
The Reaper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Free Pineland
Posts: 24,779
Yeah, that will do it, unless he is rucking in the day time.

One isolated incident is hardly demonstrative of a defensive capability.

FWIW, I believe that black bears may be involved in more bear attacks because there are many more of them than any other species.

TR
__________________
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." - President Theodore Roosevelt, 1910

De Oppresso Liber 01/20/2025
The Reaper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2004, 11:36   #25
Jack Moroney (RIP)
Quiet Professional
 
Jack Moroney (RIP)'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Vermont
Posts: 3,093
Part of the problem with black bears and attacks on humans has to do with the maladjusted head space of the humans. Bears will eat just about anything and when food is scarce they will take whatever is easy to get. The big sport up in this neck of the woods is to go to the local dumps in the evening and watch the bears forage for food. I have had one on my property that thought he was a frigging chickadee and after he cleaned out one feeder he destroyed another because it was empty. So there I was in the middle of the night hearing this critter trying to pull down a feeder. Snatched my .45 and flashlight, dashed outside clad in my skivies and socks and put a round over his head. Thought that the gunfire had scared him off but guess it was the sight of some crazy, scantily clad, old, wrinkled, hairy, limping human that scared him more because he was back the next night for more. Only way to get rid of him was to pull in the feeders at night. So much for tales from the great northern forest.

Jack Moroney
Jack Moroney (RIP) is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2004, 11:45   #26
The Reaper
Quiet Professional
 
The Reaper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Free Pineland
Posts: 24,779
Sounds like a "that's my story and I'm sticking to it" explanation.

I am sure that the bear, when found with a fatal gunshot wound to the head, had left a suicide note and a stack of empty beer cans.

TR
__________________
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." - President Theodore Roosevelt, 1910

De Oppresso Liber 01/20/2025
The Reaper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2004, 11:45   #27
Sdiver
Area Commander
 
Sdiver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: The Black Hills of SD
Posts: 5,917
Quote:
Originally posted by Jack Moroney
Part of the problem with black bears and attacks on humans has to do with the maladjusted head space of the humans. Bears will eat just about anything and when food is scarce they will take whatever is easy to get. The big sport up in this neck of the woods is to go to the local dumps in the evening and watch the bears forage for food. I have had one on my property that thought he was a frigging chickadee and after he cleaned out one feeder he destroyed another because it was empty. So there I was in the middle of the night hearing this critter trying to pull down a feeder. Snatched my .45 and flashlight, dashed outside clad in my skivies and socks and put a round over his head. Thought that the gunfire had scared him off but guess it was the sight of some crazy, scantily clad, old, wrinkled, hairy, limping human that scared him more because he was back the next night for more. Only way to get rid of him was to pull in the feeders at night. So much for tales from the great northern forest.

Jack Moroney
Even without you grabbingyour .45, just the thought alone of you as discribed above, frightens me.


Some great info on Bears I didn't know. Thanks fellas.
__________________
Non Sibi Sed Suis
_____________________________________________
It's Good To Be Da King !!!! Just ask NDD !!!!
Sdiver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2004, 11:53   #28
QRQ 30
Quiet Professional
 
QRQ 30's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Williamston, SC
Posts: 2,018
Quote:
Yeah, that will do it, unless he is rucking in the day time.
Who? Da Bahr? What if he's wearing sunglasses?
__________________
Whale

Pain and suffering are inevitable,
misery is optional.

http://tadahling.com/memoriesofaspecialforcessoldier/
QRQ 30 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2004, 17:24   #29
Bill Harsey
Bladesmith to the Quiet Professionals
 
Bill Harsey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Oregon, Land of the Silver Grey Sunsets
Posts: 3,879
Quote:
Originally posted by QRQ 30
Who? Da Bahr? What if he's wearing sunglasses?
That means he's from California and you can fire at will.
Bill Harsey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2004, 18:15   #30
QRQ 30
Quiet Professional
 
QRQ 30's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Williamston, SC
Posts: 2,018
I'm sure that DF was serious but I just can't help recalling something I saw in the movies. It was one of the few scenes I can recall that caused me to laugh out loud. The movie was "Jeremiah Johnson" and Jeremiah (Robert Redford) was learning how to be a mountain man. The old mountain man asked Jeremiah: "Boy, can you skin griz?" Jeremiasays : "Yes". The old man says: "Then go into the cabin and skin that griz." Jeremiah goes into the cabin and all hell breaks out. Suddenly the front door bursts open, Jeremiah flies out and the grizzley also flies out and on down the mountain.

The old man says: "Boy, before you can skin griz you need to kill the bahr!".

Now that I think of it the movie may have been "The Life and Times of Grizzley Adams". The old man was Grizzley Adams. "Jeremiah Johnson" was the sequel in which idiians kept trying to kill Jeremiah to get his mojo.
__________________
Whale

Pain and suffering are inevitable,
misery is optional.

http://tadahling.com/memoriesofaspecialforcessoldier/

Last edited by QRQ 30; 05-09-2004 at 18:26.
QRQ 30 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The Sensitive Side of an SF NCO SOGvet The Comedy Zone 1 06-07-2004 13:36



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 17:17.



Copyright 2004-2022 by Professional Soldiers ®
Site Designed, Maintained, & Hosted by Hilliker Technologies