Sheep/Wolves - Page 4

bandycpa · 03-22-2007, 15:19

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Originally Posted by KClapp
As a sheepdog, it is not the approval, admiration, or affirmation of the sheep that I seek. I do what I do for the approval, admiration, and affirmation of the Shepherd.

Oh yeah. That one's definitely going in the motivational file for me.

Bandy

CoLawman · 03-25-2007, 08:19

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Originally Posted by dennisw

Finally got a call. Seems they had to wait on some pilots after St. Paddy's day before they could make the final leg. First deployment is officially in the books.

Great news Dennis! Hopefully, son #2 returns soon as well!

RTK · 04-17-2007, 05:47

Seemed like a good day to revist this paper, given the circumstances and discussions from the past 24 hours.

x-factor · 04-17-2007, 16:04

I think its important to differentiate those who shirk their responsibility to the community from those who's talents better serve the community in capacities other than guardian. We should not denigrate people simply because their calling is different from ours. A vibrant society needs all types living in harmony, not one class lording its accomplishments over the other.

Would we as a society have been better served if Johnny Cash had stayed in the Air Force? No. A nation of all artists and no soldiers is a nation not long for this world, but a nation of all soldiers and no artists is not worth living in anyway.

I also think its often a false distinction to say that one has to choose between being a "sheepdog" and being a "sheep". The ancient Greek ideal was that the ideal man should be a master of the lyre and the spear, a man of words and deeds. That I think is the ideal to strive for: to be a whole person, whatever occupation your talents may dictate.

*****

On the Combat vs Combat Support thing...one of my favorite things about working in the SOF community is the genuine respect and comraderie (at least in my experience) thats shown to intel officers by the teams. My thanks and respect to TS for expressing that here in this thread.

**Team Sergeant** · 04-17-2007, 17:17

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Originally Posted by x-factor

On the Combat vs Combat Support thing...one of my favorite things about working in the SOF community is the genuine respect and comraderie (at least in my experience) thats shown to intel officers by shooters. My thanks and respect to TS for expressing that here in this thread.

We in Special Forces are not "shooters" we are not "operators". Others coined those phrases simply because they themselves could not be called Special Forces soldiers.

We are Special Forces soldiers, not to be confused with a Ranger working in a Special Forces unit that is not Special Forces qualified, they call themselves operators or shooters.

This has been a ProfessionalSoldiers announcement brought to you by the Special Forces soldiers, past, present and future.

Team Sergeant

x-factor · 04-17-2007, 17:22

I meant shooters in the broad sense of combat SOF (including but not limited to SF)...

Nevertheless, point taken and editing done.

Ret10Echo · 05-29-2007, 07:58

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Originally Posted by The Reaper

I would just add that the parents who have lost their loved ones who served, and who go on television berating the POTUS and the war appear to me to be dishonoring their children's sacrifice and their memory.

Cindy Sheehan, simple-minded sheeple, has totally dedicated herself to dishonoring the sacrifice of her son, whatever she may think she is doing, and is being used in the process, like a borrowed mule.

TR

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070529...t_070529114116

"The most devastating conclusion that I reached this morning, however, was that Casey did indeed die for nothing," she said in reference to her son, who was killed in Iraq in April 2004.

She does not, nor will she ever understand.

I pray her son is now at peace.

Obevokenobi · 05-30-2007, 07:04

I've searched the forums and this seems the most appropriate one for this thought. I have a loved one serving in Iraq right now and he mentioned this sheep analogy to me before. I have actually used the analogy several times in court to persuade jurors to convict a defendant and to render a stiffer sentence. I place the jurors in the role of sheep, who for that day on the jury have the opportunity to step up and be sheepdogs and help protect society.

But I digress. My family member in Iraq has mentioned that during his time over there, he has noticed the majority of the populace is sheep. They do not want to harm our troops or the U.S. in any way. They simpy want to provide a better life for their families. However, they have spent so many generations existing on what has been given to them. They have no natural sense of how to excel to provide a better life for their families. He believes it may take generations before they understand this concept.

I find this interesting because I think when most people read the article by Grossman, their thoughts tend toward U.S. society (maybe that is just my bias as a U.S. citizen). But here we have the analogy applying to a culture not our own.

Meridian · 06-04-2007, 11:36

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sg1987 · 07-06-2007, 09:07

Shootings turn out differently when five sheepdogs are in the room!!!

LAS VEGAS - A man on a balcony over the New York-New York casino floor opened fire on the gamblers below early Friday, wounding four people before he was tackled by off-duty military reservists, police said. A fifth person was hurt in a crush of people fleeing the casino.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070706/...T5tEdHAZ6s0NUE

Tomahawk202 · 07-08-2007, 19:48

April 1998, a skell I locked up got out of jail and came calling at my home. My wife and child were home. I had a beer in one hand, and was flipping burgers with the other. This guy opens fire on me out of the clear blue sky.
With pure instinct, I rolled into the sliding glass doors of my small apartment and grabbed my H&K USP .40, and shot this guy twice. He shot at me 12 times, didn't hit a thing, but I ......" front site post, squeeze, surprise."
My very first shootout. Anyways, my Corporal came to me afterwards and gave me a book. It was this one, called " On Killing...." I have got to say, I read it from cover to cover on my two weeks administrative leave, and I felt better about myself. Alot better about myself.
Thanks for posting this again, for all to see. It really brings things into perspective.

NousDefionsDoc · 07-08-2007, 20:27

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Originally Posted by Tomahawk202

April 1998, a skell I locked up got out of jail and came calling at my home. My wife and child were home. I had a beer in one hand, and was flipping burgers with the other. This guy opens fire on me out of the clear blue sky.
With pure instinct, I rolled into the sliding glass doors of my small apartment and grabbed my H&K USP .40, and shot this guy twice. He shot at me 12 times, didn't hit a thing, but I ......" front site post, squeeze, surprise."
My very first shootout. Anyways, my Corporal came to me afterwards and gave me a book. It was this one, called " On Killing...." I have got to say, I read it from cover to cover on my two weeks administrative leave, and I felt better about myself. Alot better about myself.
Thanks for posting this again, for all to see. It really brings things into perspective.

Will you have to shoot him again tomorrow?

NousDefionsDoc · 07-08-2007, 20:30

I myself am not a sheepdog. My hair does not hang in my eyes, I am not lovable, I'm not a pet to be petted and I don't give a shit about protecting sheep.

Ret10Echo · 07-09-2007, 12:07

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Originally Posted by sg1987

Shootings turn out differently when five sheepdogs are in the room!!!

LAS VEGAS - A man on a balcony over the New York-New York casino floor opened fire on the gamblers below early Friday, wounding four people before he was tackled by off-duty military reservists, police said. A fifth person was hurt in a crush of people fleeing the casino.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070706/...T5tEdHAZ6s0NUE

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070709/...bjHb_cF8FvzwcF

By DALE WETZEL, Associated Press Writer
Mon Jul 9, 4:25 AM ET

BISMARCK, N.D. - At first, Justin Lampert thought the popping sounds he heard were coming from an electronic game at the Las Vegas casino where he had been eating a hot dog. When a crowd of panicked people stampeded past, he realized it was something more serious.

It was then the Iraq war veteran saw a bearded, older man, dressed in a light-colored trench coat, walking behind the fleeing casino-goers. Lampert said the man's hair was tousled as if he'd just gotten out of bed, and his stroll and nonchalant demeanor was a sharp contrast to the chaos.

Tomahawk202 · 07-09-2007, 15:29

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Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc

Will you have to shoot him again tomorrow?

They guy got 10 1/2 to 20 years in prison. He lost alot of blood but didn't die. So yeah, hopefully I won't have to shoot him again anytime soon. I got him in the thigh and liver, so I didn't make things comfortable for him. But I was a rookie, skills are sharper now.