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Old 03-21-2004, 15:56   #16
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Look, they already admitted what they did, were tried and sentenced and pardoned. What's to discuss?
how many people were tried or lost their job?
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Old 03-21-2004, 15:57   #17
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OK, how about this:

Were our efforts in Nicaragua successful? Were they worth the fallout?
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Old 03-21-2004, 16:01   #18
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What fallout? Reagan did two terms and his VP won.

Yes, it was worth it on a global strategic level. IMO
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Old 03-21-2004, 16:03   #19
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how many people were tried or lost their job?
Like always - as many as it took to make it go away and protect the POTUS.

How many lost their jobs because of the Bay of Pigs?
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Old 03-21-2004, 16:20   #20
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What fallout? Reagan did two terms and his VP won.

Yes, it was worth it on a global strategic level. IMO
Reagan was somewhat paralyzed and not as effective in his second term. Part of that was Iran-Contra fallout, but it primarily was due to the takeover of the Reagan Administration by the Bush people IMO.
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Old 03-21-2004, 16:23   #21
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Like always - as many as it took to make it go away and protect the POTUS.

How many lost their jobs because of the Bay of Pigs?
That is a slightly different scenario. JFK wanted to maintain deniability for himself and the US for "diplomatic" reasons. Is it against policy to employ exiles in an uprising on foreign soil?
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Old 03-21-2004, 16:29   #22
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Reagan was somewhat paralyzed and not as effective in his second term. Part of that was Iran-Contra fallout, but it primarily was due to the takeover of the Reagan Administration by the Bush people IMO.
Yep, you're right, paralyzed

Reagan Paralyzed LOL
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Old 03-21-2004, 16:31   #23
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That is a slightly different scenario. JFK wanted to maintain deniability for himself and the US for "diplomatic" reasons. Is it against policy to employ exiles in an uprising on foreign soil?
Well now Missy, that would depend on who's setting policy wouldn't it? Its not against my policy. LOL
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Old 03-21-2004, 16:37   #24
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Can you recommend anything said open source worth reading on this issue ?
I like this book: The Real Contra War: Highlander Peasant Resistance in Nicaragua By Timothy C. Brown
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Well now Missy, that would depend on who's setting policy wouldn't it? Its not against my policy. LOL
Hypocrisy is an enemy of policy, no matter who is setting it.

I'm sure policy is overated, but it does help to have one, to gain support among the people.
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I don't begin to understand that.

I will tell you that IMO "Hypocrisy is an enemy of policy, no matter who is setting it. " is a noble statement, but far removed from reality in most cases.

Is it hypocritical to sign an Executive Order prohibiting assassination of foreign heads of state, then bomb the crap out of a country when you know full well that less than a dozen people are causing the problem?
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Yep, you're right, paralyzed

Reagan Paralyzed LOL
I said somewhat. On domestic policy, he was a disappointment in term 2.
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Ok Lib, in what sense?
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Ok Lib, in what sense?
You must not be talking to me. Unless you mean "libertarian" or "classical liberal," of course.
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Whatever, what was the domestic policy failure?
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