07-21-2011, 13:36
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Does Attrition Rate reflect Society?
When i originally started with Bud/s class 288 we started with around 230 in BO. When we went into Hell week the class number was in the 80s. Ive seen the spectrum on how much a Man can push himself, but the ones who do are significantly outnumbered by the ones who don't. Do you feel the drop rate indicates how weak society is?
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07-21-2011, 13:40
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When i originally started with Bud/s class 288 we started with around 230 in BO. When we went into Hell week the class number was in the 80s. Ive seen the spectrum on how much a Man can push himself, but the ones who do are significantly outnumbered by the ones who don't. Do you feel the drop rate indicates how weak society is?
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Yes. It's also the reason we continue to lower standards, so everyone wins.....
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07-21-2011, 13:52
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I've always felt we lacked a Right of passage as a Nation. Which is going to lead me to send my firstborn to Africa to kill a Lion.
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07-21-2011, 14:39
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I've always felt we lacked a Right of passage as a Nation. Which is going to lead me to send my firstborn to Africa to kill a Lion.
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07-21-2011, 15:45
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Yes. It's also the reason we continue to lower standards, so everyone wins.....
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Do you think standards have been lowered in the military? How about in the special operations community or SF specifically?
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07-21-2011, 15:46
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Do you think standards have been lowered in the military? How about in the special operations community or SF specifically?
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Nice try.
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07-21-2011, 15:49
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Do you think standards have been lowered in the military? How about in the special operations community or SF specifically?
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Do you think that question makes your @$$ look fat? 
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07-21-2011, 15:54
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Nice try.
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What? Did I miss something? I assume that I've either a) Asked a question which insults SF guys (in which case I apologize, I was just wondering) or b) Seems really obvious to you guys, and reveals the fact, to which I have previously confessed, that I have no military experience.
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07-21-2011, 17:13
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What? Did I miss something? I assume that I've either a) Asked a question which insults SF guys (in which case I apologize, I was just wondering) or b) Seems really obvious to you guys, and reveals the fact, to which I have previously confessed, that I have no military experience.
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I think your not aware of the current debate in Socom. Which is are the standards getting lower or are the recruits coming better prepared. I lean to towards the recruits being in better shape.
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07-21-2011, 17:35
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I think your not aware of the current debate in Socom. Which is are the standards getting lower or are the recruits coming better prepared. I lean to towards the recruits being in better shape.
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Not every selection process focuses simply on physical preparedness. Some require a bit more or did at one time...
Was having a discussion about this very topic with quite a few of my contemporaries today. We agree, the standards have been lowered...
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07-21-2011, 19:12
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Guess Mark and I should've waited so we could've avoided being in the last hard class... 
And so it goes...
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07-21-2011, 19:19
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Richard and I watched about 50 or 60 guys quit one night. I guess they wanted a cup of hot chocolate more than they wanted to be an SF soldier...
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07-21-2011, 19:21
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Richard and I watched about 50 or 60 guys quit one night. I guess they wanted a cup of hot chocolate more than they wanted to be an SF soldier...
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Nobody told me there was hot cocoa!
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07-21-2011, 19:35
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Nobody told me there was hot cocoa!
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You would've had to have been there...but you would've been like we were - they could've killed us, they could've dropped us, we could've gotten sick or injured...but we weren't gonna quit. 
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07-21-2011, 20:40
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Standards rise and fall with the command's perception of manpower needs. Always have and always will. Being out of the game for 13 years now, it does appear to me that there is much more emphasis on prior preparation. All of the books and pamphlets that have been written with tips to get ready for the courses; the information the recruiting battalions disseminate; access to the courses by media making documetaries on what happens during the course; and the plethora of websites dealing with them.
I think all of this information may keep many of those that would attend because they thought it would be cool to wear a Green Beret or a Trident away. They see the students on TV getting their asses kicked and decide it may not be for them before they ever try.
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