12-15-2012, 11:47
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A sad day indeed.
I wish these type of people would quit taking out their rage on others and instead do themselves in.
God be with the families of the victims.
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12-19-2012, 08:28
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I pray with you. Something is going wrong in the world.
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12-20-2012, 14:01
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From the Internet,,,
"So another mass-murder conducted by a product of government schools, in a government school, under the government-recommended/mandated care of a government-employed/licensed shrink, on government-approved and government-promoted mind-altering drugs, in a government-mandated weapon-free zone, protected by a government agency the government claims 'serves and protects' (though it is incapable of doing so). Clearly the problem is guns." Via Lew Rockwell
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12-20-2012, 16:08
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Time Line of Worldwide School and Mass Shootings
The following table lists the worldwide mass and school shootings from 1996 to the present. Find the date, location, and a short description of each incident.
Read more: Time Line of Worldwide School Shootings — Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A07779...#ixzz2FdHYCMTp
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12-20-2012, 20:30
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Thanks for that link. Insufficient dots; the matching link for the timeline of gun control legislation doesn't tell how many it magically prevented. Shucks.
Funny, I didn't seem to find a bunch of home-schoolers roving the neigborhoods looking for classmate targets.
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12-20-2012, 21:19
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The following table lists the worldwide mass and school shootings from 1996 to the present. Find the date, location, and a short description of each incident.
Read more: Time Line of Worldwide School Shootings — Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777/...#ixzz2FdHYCMTp
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Guess the Fort Hood shooting didn't count? Am I missing something?
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12-20-2012, 22:48
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Guess the Fort Hood shooting didn't count? Am I missing something?
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I'm thinking there are a few things missing. Maybe they didn't consider terrorist acts, err rather "workplace violence" in their calculations.
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12-28-2012, 17:39
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He had 2 pistols in the school, the AR was left in the car, then he had 4 pistols, the AR was used in the school and shotgun was left inthe car....and now the media is reporting Lanza WAS NOT wearing body Armour....
http://www.countytimes.com/articles/...c911948569.txt
Who knows what to believe....
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12-31-2012, 09:05
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Can we blame this on a Youtube video?
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01-03-2013, 10:26
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Interesting proposal and conversation about arming teachers in Colorado.
Discussed on the Mike Rosen show 1/2/12 10AM hour.
Podcast is 36 min and is usually available for about a week or two.
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01-03-2013, 15:14
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TV report is it was the son of a teacher who killed his brother then went for Mom and the kids in her classroom. Shooter is dead.
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I think you need to find a more reliable new source!
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01-03-2013, 16:08
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Actually that was the initial report.
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01-09-2013, 18:31
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Sandy Hook media myths
Exclusive: Molotov Mitchell reveals Lanza did not use or have an AR-15 rifle
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01-09-2013, 18:43
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You mean the media lied to us?
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01-09-2013, 21:25
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What about the medical examiner, H. Wayne Carver, MD?
Did he:
a) Lie
b) Do a poor acting job (not the REAL medical examiner)
c) Take drugs prior to the interview
d) All of the above
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Question: Doctor, on that examination, could you tell which caliber of the handgun compared to the rifle on these shooting victims were?
Carver: It’s a good thing there’s not be a prosecution ’cause then I couldn’t answer that. All the wounds that I know of at this point are caused by the one weapon.
Question: So the rifle was the primary weapon?
Carver: Yes.
Question: What caliber was used?
Carver: The question was what caliber were these bullets. And I know I probably know more about firearms than most pathologists but if I say it in court, they yell at me and make me answer. So I’ll let the police deal with that for you.
Question: Doctor, can you tell about the nature of the wounds? Were they at very close range? Were the children shot from across the room?
Carver: I only did 7 of the autopsies. Victims I had ranged from 3 to 11 wounds apiece, and I only saw 2 of them with close-range shooting. But that’s – you know, that’s a sample. I really don’t have detailed information on the rest of the injuries.
Question: Wait, you said it was the long rifle that was used? [inaudible, overlapping audio]
Carver: Yes.
Question: How many bullet casings at the crime scene did you find total? [inaudible]
Carver: I’m looking – I can tell you how many I found. I don’t know…there were lots of them, okay? This type of weapon is not – the bullets are designed in such a fashion that the energy – this is very clinical, I shouldn’t be saying this – but the energy is deposited in the tissue and so the bullets stays in.
Question: Did the children die quickly? Are you able to tell that?
Carver: That’s always a difficult question and obviously, I don’t have – I don’t have detailed information on all of them but this is a very devastating set of injuries.
Question: Did they suffer?
Carver: I don’t – I don’t. The best of my ability to answer that question, which is always less than perfect – if so, not for very long.
Question: [inaudible]
Carver: All the ones – I believe so, yes.
Question: [inaudible]
Carver: We did not bring the bodies and the families into contact. We took pictures of them of their facial features. It’s easier on the families when you do that. There is a time and a place for up close and personal in the grieving process. But to accomplish this, we felt it would be best to do it this way, and you can sort of – you can control the situation, depending on the photographer and I have very good photographers.
Question: Do you know the difference between the time of deaths between the body that was recovered from the house and the bodies of the children?
Carver: No, I don’t. Sorry, I don’t.
Question: How young was the youngest victim? How old was the oldest victim?
Carver: You all will have to look at the spreadsheet when we pass it out. I’m sorry.
Question: [inaudible]
Carver: All the ones I don’t know – I first, everybody I dealt with, I believe they were all first graders.
Question: Did the gunman kill himself with the rifle?
Carver: No. I don’t know yet. I’ll examine him tomorrow morning. But I don’t think so.
Question: [overlapping audio]
Carver: I have not seen here yet.
Question: [inaudible]
Carver: …Paul and company will deal with that. Paul and company – Lt. Vance.
Question: You said that all of the children you personally examined were shot multiple times. [inaudible]
Carver: We discussed this briefly with the staff before I came here. There was – I believe everybody was hit more than once.
Question: Was there any evidence of a struggle? Any bruises or…?
Question: Sir, the nature of the shooting, was there any sense that there was a lot of care taken to [inaudible] or was it spread randomly?
Carver: Both. It’s a very difficult question to answer. It’s really…You’d think after the thousands of people I’ve seen shot I could answer that question but I – if I attempted to answer it in court, there’d be an objection and they’d win.
Question: Doctor, can you describe the 7 kids you worked on personally…what did these kids look like when they came to you? What were they wearing?
Carver: Well, they were wearing kids’ stuff. I mean, they were first graders. They were wearing cut kids’ stuff. It’s the kind of stuff you’d send your kids to your grandkids…
Question: Doctor, can you describe the fatal injuries to the adults?
Carver: They’re similar to those of the children.
Question: Doctor, the children you’ve autopsied, where on their bodies were their wounds?
Carver: All over. All over.
Question: What about the mother?
Carver: I have not examined her yet. That will be tomorrow morning.
Question: Were they sitting at desks or were they running away?
Carver: I’ll let the guys – the scene guys address that issue. Obviously, I was at the scene. Obviously, I’m very experienced in that. But there are people who are the number one professionals in that. I’ll let them go over…
Question: You said that the bodies you examined 7 had 3 to 11 shots?
Carver: That’s just the ones that I did.
Question: So this man was there shooting repeatedly…
Carver: I think the guys who did the crime scene are going to be able to tell you how many cartridges were found.
Question: Is there a protocol for the order you did the autopsies? Like the mother and the…
Carver: Other – our goal was to get the kids out and available to the funeral directors first. Just for, well – obviously -
Question: How many boys and how many girls?
Carver: I don’t know.
Question: [inaudible]
Carver: Yeah, there’s been times in my career where I – for reasons I don’t appreciate – go into a locker and sit down and cry. And I think if you don’t have to do that you shouldn’t be in this business. But for this one, not yet. Notice I said yet.
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