12-30-2017, 11:39
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Originally Posted by Leozinho
So not allowed for the masses, but okay for an organized militia, if I understand you correctly.
Is there currently a militia that meets your definition of organized?
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I was just using the term as used in the Constitution. There is an example, though. Volunteer fire departments. Members of small ones may pool their resources and purchase used firefighting equipment and train to use them correctly. They also set up a means to rally the volunteers when needed. I would call this "regulated" as I understand the term from the Constitution.
An organized militia could do the same, pool resources to purchase big ticket items, set up an armory, and train regularly to maintain proficiency. Pretty much what the Patriots did it seems.
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12-30-2017, 11:54
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the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed
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...yep, I'm ok with grenades and rocket launchers. If you use one in a crime, you go away to a Joe Arpaio style prison to suffer punishment. No xbox, no internet, no free time reading comic books.
Spending a career in the military that put me in direct contact with our nations federal and local law enforcement agencies as well as some of our nations most elite warriors has taught me an unarguable truth - the individuals that make up the military and police can't be trusted any more or any less than any other US citizen.
A good government should ALWAYS be afraid of its citizens. A government that does not FEAR the citizens will eventually tyrannize the citizens.
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12-30-2017, 12:00
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Now you are going down the rabbit hole of only Militas have the right and 2nd amendment is a collective right not individual. That means the National Guard meets that criteria and now we are back to as single private citizens the 2nd amendment does not apply so give up all your firearms.
Either you believe each person can own a RPG or they can not.
Do you think I should be able to go to Cabelas and buy a RPG off the shelf? That is the question. I am not saying one way or the other but the milita only statement does not apply according to Heller vs DC.
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I was using militia as a "pooling of funds" source, not something that you are sworn into. This is why I mentioned "adult leadership". Nutcases can go on youtube and learn to make the equivalent of both of the above-mentioned items.
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12-30-2017, 12:00
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Originally Posted by PSM
I was just using the term as used in the Constitution. There is an example, though. Volunteer fire departments. Members of small ones may pool their resources and purchase used firefighting equipment and train to use them correctly. They also set up a means to rally the volunteers when needed. I would call this "regulated" as I understand the term from the Constitution.
An organized militia could do the same, pool resources to purchase big ticket items, set up an armory, and train regularly to maintain proficiency. Pretty much what the Patriots did it seems.
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Twice you've replied without clearly answering my questions.
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12-30-2017, 12:03
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Twice you've replied without clearly answering my questions.
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Yes, I would be OK with it. The penalties for misuse should be major, though.
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12-31-2017, 07:33
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Most bump stock fans I've witnessed are grossly overweight cybergamers.
As for MG's, I've believed since '79 they should be limited to 3-round, aimed bursts.
That' how I used my pig. Did a lot more damage that way.
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12-31-2017, 08:07
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Originally Posted by Dusty
Most bump stock fans I've witnessed are grossly overweight cybergamers.
As for MG's, I've believed since '79 they should be limited to 3-round, aimed bursts.
That' how I used my pig. Did a lot more damage that way.
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That's an interesting statement. I'v never shot full auto and don't even fire much fast single shot. My Walter Mitty fantasies run more to one shot, one kill. 
That said, I understand that at least one of the M-16 family of weapons had a 2 or 3 round burst selector you could use instead of full auto, but they got rid of it. Hows come??
My feeling about RPG's and such is to leave them out of the hands of civilians. It gets rid of the low hanging fruit of the ability of nut cases to use one. Serious cases will always be able to improvise with common available stuff anyway. Look at Ted Kosinski.
I once told some anti AR types that I could do serious damage rolling around the country side at 2 am with a 30 caliber bolt action and a pocket full of rounds without even shooting anybody.
Heck, let me steal a pick up truck, buy a lot of rope and some grappling hooks!! 
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12-31-2017, 10:16
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How about we try something new? Quit trying to control what law-abiding citizens can have/use and hold criminals accountable for their actions. Public hangings would be a good start point.
(Or maybe it isn't so new. The "wild west" was fairly civil by modern Chicago [or anywhere else Dims are in charge] standards.)
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12-31-2017, 12:46
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How about we try something new? Quit trying to control what law-abiding citizens can have/use and hold criminals accountable for their actions. Public hangings would be a good start point.
(Or maybe it isn't so new. The "wild west" was fairly civil by modern Chicago [or anywhere else Dims are in charge] standards.)
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Winner.
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12-31-2017, 17:27
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Originally Posted by Dusty
Most bump stock fans I've witnessed are grossly overweight cybergamers.
As for MG's, I've believed since '79 they should be limited to 3-round, aimed bursts.
That' how I used my pig. Did a lot more damage that way.
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Funny you say that...I preferred my M2 in single shot. Even cupola mounted on a pintle I could wreak havoc on targets that would have wasted every bullet after the first one.
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01-01-2018, 01:03
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Funny you say that...I preferred my M2 in single shot. Even cupola mounted on a pintle I could wreak havoc on targets that would have wasted every bullet after the first one.
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01-01-2018, 06:35
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Originally Posted by Peregrino
How about we try something new? Quit trying to control what law-abiding citizens can have/use and hold criminals accountable for their actions. Public hangings would be a good start point.
(Or maybe it isn't so new. The "wild west" was fairly civil by modern Chicago [or anywhere else Dims are in charge] standards.)
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LOL....I'll bring the Popcorn........ 
Totally agree, one of our biggest problems is that the law is way too lenient on criminals... We need to start holding them accountable and applying stiff sentences to unlawful scumbags who ride the shirt tails of lawyers. Law-Abiding Americans are being penalized for the failure of the criminal justice system, while ass clown offenders/felons run wild and avoid the consequences. 
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01-03-2018, 07:52
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Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick
Funny you say that...I preferred my M2 in single shot. Even cupola mounted on a pintle I could wreak havoc on targets that would have wasted every bullet after the first one.
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Worked for Carlos out to a couple thousand yards...with a Unertl
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