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Old 08-12-2009, 12:09   #31
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I think specific elements of Sharia - much like specific elements of canonical law from so many other religions practiced in America - can and will be tolerated until such time as they present more than a rumored infringement of and challenge to our codified system of laws - and then we'll see.

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There's no rumor. It is an infringement.

What's the supreme law of the land?

The US Constitution? or Sharia?

Both say they are.

So which is it?

This is just the start. PM inbound.

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There's no rumor. It is an infringement. What's the supreme law of the land? The US Constitution? or Sharia? Both say they are. So which is it?
I know many Muslims who practice Islam much as the majority of Christians practice Christianity or Jews practice Judaism - selectively. And then there are those who...

MOO - it can be an infringement - as can any of the others - but will it and to what extent is TBD - and eventually will be up to us to determine. I wholeheartedly agree, though, it can be a danger to us all and bears considerable thought and watching.

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I know many Muslims who practice Islam much as the majority of Christians practice Christianity or Jews practice Judaism - selectively. And then there are those who...

MOO - it can be an infringement - as can any of the others - but will it and to what extent is TBD - and eventually will be up to us to determine. I wholeheartedly agree, though, it can be a danger to us all and bears considerable thought and watching.

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Trying to draw an important distinction here. We are not debating what people door don't do. We are debating the legal doctrine.

First, you cannot separate church from state in islam. They are absolutley intertwined.

Second, you can (and must) distinguish Muslims from islam.

Third, the law is the law. We're not debating what's a better flavor here. The law is the law. If you don't like hanbali, we can discuss hanafi, maliki, shafi'i, or jafari. It's comparing them against US Law.

Within that construct, it's not that sharia can be an infringement. It is an infringement and it is a danger. There's no denying that.
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Wonder how my non-Sharia practicing jacques-Muslims who are third and fourth generation American are going to deal with this issue?

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Wonder how my non-Sharia practicing jacques-Muslims who are third and fourth generation American are going to deal with this issue?

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You are proving mundus vult decipi.

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Exclamation Shariah Islamic Law in America: What YOU Need To Know...

Shariah Islamic Law in America: What YOU Need To Know...

Crash course in the challenges we face:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7iHxl90CD0
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Maybe, maybe not...

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...arrest of Muslim Khan, the spokesman of the Taliban in Swat and a skilled public advocate for the militant cause...

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Mr. Khan was not religious or particularly interested in Islam, Mr. Iqbal said. “It was only power.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/12/wo...er=rss&emc=rss
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Stars, Stripes, Crescent
A reassuring portrait of America's Muslims

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editor...l?id=110007151
One thing about the Internet - it so readily allows so many to lead lives of noisy desperation.

And so it goes...

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Frank Gaffney is the Founder and President of the Center for Security Policy, a Washington DC based Think-Tank.

Here's his remarks titled "A Virus Called Sharia."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nixnG8N3qns
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Yale chose Shariah over U.S. Constitution

Yale chose Shariah over U.S. Constitution
Diana West
Examiner Columnist
October 11, 2009

Last week's column was about something that doesn't exist -- a multilevel strategy to combat the advance of Shariah (Islamic law) across the West.

The strategy doesn't exist because there's little understanding that the entrenchment of Shariah in the Western world poses a threat to liberty in the Western world.

This understanding doesn't exist because the critique of Shariah (a legal system best described as sacralized totalitarianism) required to devise a defensive anti-Shariah strategy is not considered possible.

Why not? The main obstacle is, well, the advance of Shariah across the West. In other words, we cannot criticize the spread of Shariah simply because Shariah's influence has spread. Thus, the reflex reaction to critical commentary -- even a newspaper page of political cartoons -- is to follow Islamic law and stop it (or try), or just shut up.

That's certainly what Yale has done, as events beginning in August demonstrate. That's when news broke that Yale and its press were omitting the Danish Muhammad cartoons (and other Muhammad imagery) from a forthcoming Yale University Press book expressly about the Danish Muhammad cartoons.

This sudden act of censorship, Yale said, was due to fear of Muslim outrage over the Muhammad cartoons again turning into Muslim violence. (Roger Kimball, Stanley Kramer and I have laid out evidence that Yale's censorhip was also due to fear of alienating Muslim donors.)

This violence, along with general Muslim outrage, has its roots in Islamic legal prohibitions against life imagery, criticizing Muhammad and sarcasm about Islamic law -- all outlawed by the standard Al Azhar University-approved Shariah manual, "Reliance of the Traveller," but all tools for the political cartoonist moved to comment on the connection between Muhammad and jihad violence. And why not? Indeed, the Islamic-world-renowned Sheik Yussef al-Qaradawi calls Mohammed "an epitome for religious warriors."

The publication of the Danish cartoons forced the question: What is more important to the West -- freedom of speech, or Islamic law masquerading as something Orwellian known as community harmony?

With its censorship of the Muhammad imagery, Yale chose Shariah. But that wasn't all. Wearing my hat as vice president of the International Free Press Society, I asked Yale's Steven Smith, master of Branford College, one of Yale's 12 residential colleges, if he would host Kurt Westergaard, the most famous of the Danish cartoonists, at a "master's tea" for students.

The IFPS was then finalizing Westergaard's U.S. tour long planned to coincide with the fourth anniversary of the publication of the cartoons on Sept. 30. Smith agreed and held the event on Oct. 1. And Yale, it seems, will never be the same.

Even now, institutional consternation at Yale over Westergaard continues. In the pages of the Yale Daily News, ire is directed at Westergaard's Yale host, Smith, simply for having issued the invitation, as attested by letters from University Chaplain Sharon Kugler and "coordinator of Muslim Life for the University" Omer Bajwa, and even Smith's fellow Yale masters, Davenport College's Richard Schottenfeld and Tanina Rostain.

At a panel this week sponsored by the Chaplain's Office and the Yale Muslim Student Association, several Yale professors discussed "what made the cartoons offensive ... and how the West's response heightened tension."

The lesson here? Free speech about Islam at Yale is a liability, something to censor, oppose, even remove physically, as symbolized by the administration's decision to bus students to the edge of campus to attend Westergaard's talk.

Campus security -- bomb-sniffing dogs, two SWAT teams -- was so extreme it stood as a reproach to critics of Islam, and perhaps as justification for Yale's decision to censor the cartoons in the first place.

Having shrouded free speech in the Islamic veil, Yale stands exposed.

Examiner Columnist Diana West is syndicated nationally by United Media and is the author of "The Death of the Grown-Up: How America's Arrested Development Is Bringing Down Western Civilization."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...-63888332.html
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Sharia -vs- U.S. Constitution

DING - DING - DING...

IN THIS CORNER, WE HAVE THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, THE FOUNDING DOCUMENT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE "AMERICAN EXPERIMENT" - A SOURCE OF PROTECTION FOR OUR GOD GIVEN RIGHTS.

AND IN THIS CORNER, AN OTHER OPTION, WHICH REQUIRES YOU TO CONVERT TO ISLAM AND BEAT YOUR CHILDREN IF THEY DON'T PRAY.

YOU MAKE THE CALL:

http://www.annaqed.com/en/content/show.aspx?aid=16242

Sharia Law and the US Constitution
By Louis Palme
Oct 14, 2009


Americans are among the most tolerant and patriotic people in the world. As a nation of immigrants, there is a certain appeal to the idea of multiculturalism where people of different backgrounds are accepted in our communities. Our nation was founded on the principles of equality and freedom, and we have invested our resources and blood over and over again to defend those principles.

Our constitution guarantees not only the freedom of speech, but also the freedom to practice our religion of choice. So it is not surprising that many Americans see Sharia Law as a Muslim religious prerogative which we should support or at least tolerate. Banks have rushed to provide Sharia-compliant banking, and public institutions like universities and airports have spent taxpayer dollars to help Muslims comply with their religious requirements, providing special foot-baths and prayer rooms for them.

If anyone speaks out against Sharia Law, there is often a strong reaction within the Muslim community. This month, Dalia Mogahed, President Obama’s advisor on Muslim affairs, complained on British television that the Western view of Sharia was “oversimplified” and misunderstood.

While acknowledging that even Muslims associate Sharia with draconian criminal punishments and laws that seem unequal for women, she stated, “Part of the reason there is this perception of Sharia is because Sharia is not well understood and Islam as a faith is not well understood.”

The London-based Islam Channel panel she was on made repeated attacks against secular “man-made Law” and the West’s “lethal cocktail of liberty and capitalism.” Ms. Mogahed described her government role as “to convey . . to the President and other public officials what it is Muslims want.”
(Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...nderstood.html)

A similar reaction took place in a recent US Congressional hearing on the dangers posed by political Islam. Dr. Zuhdi Jasser, one of the most prominent Muslim reformers in the United States, testified, “I think if Muslims want credibility and we want to be respected equally, we need to stand for reform within our faith of [Sharia] laws that are still in the 15th and 16th Century.”

He explained that the jihadists will not be defeated until Muslims start to recognize that their ideology is on a slippery slope toward radicalism. In response to this testimony, Muslim Congressman Keith Ellison (D, Mn) delivered a verbal tirade that accused Dr. Jasser of encouraging anti-Muslim bigotry and attempting to censor Islamists.

Ellison said to Dr. Jasser, “I think you give people license for bigotry. I think people who engage in nothing less than Muslim-hating really love you a lot because you give them freedom to do that. You say, ‘yeah, go get after them.’ . . Now is somebody going to snatch my 13-year-old daughter’s hijab off, call her a horrible name, and spit on her because of something you said, Dr. Jasser? I worry about that.”
(Source: http://www.investigativeproject.org/...-reforms-value )

So, to better understand whether Sharia Law is desirable (or even legal) in the United States, it might be instructive to compare it with the US Constitution. This isn’t too difficult for the layman because the U.S. Constitution is only 17 pages long, including its 27 amendments. [COLOR=“Red”]Sharia Law is well-documented in the 1,200 page Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law, “The Reliance of the Traveler” by Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri[/COLOR], and published in the United States by Amana Publications.

While the original document dates to the late 14th Century, it has been updated in the 1990’s and bears the approval of the Fiqh Council of North America as well as the authoritative Al-Azhar Islamic Research Academy in Egypt. The introduction to this manual states, “The four Sunni schools of Islamic Law . . are identical in approximately 75 percent of the legal conclusions. . . [T]he authors of the present volume and their positions do represent the orthodox Muslim intellectual and spiritual heritage that has been the strength of the Community for over a thousand years . . to the present day.”

While this volume of Sharia Law is primarily about the religious practice of Islam, the 800 pages of the manual devoted to rules and regulations also include sections on Trade, Inheritance, Marriage (suitable partners, legal rights, custody), Divorce, and Justice which would fall under civil law in the United States. Those sections comprise 35% of the manual, and are among the most controversial because they impose draconian punishments, authorize jihad, and sanction discrimination on the basis of religion and gender.

The summary below highlights the serious disconnects between the provisions of the US Constitution and those of Sharia Law.


LEGISLATIVE POWERS:

U.S. Constitution

Article I - All legislative Powers shall be vested in the Congress.



Sharia Law

The source of legal rulings for all acts of those who are morally responsible is Allah. (a1.1) It is not a sin to comply with man-made laws that require buying auto insurance or having a photo ID because “the authorities are responsible for the sin, not the individual forced to comply.” (w42.3 and w50.4)



POWER TO DECLARE WAR:

U.S. Constitution

Section 8 – Powers of Congress include to levy taxes, to make laws, and to declare war.



Sharia Law

It is obligatory to obey the commands and interdictions of the caliph or his representative in everything that is lawful, even if he is unjust . . because the purpose of his authority is Islamic unity, which could not be realized if obeying him were not obligatory. (o25.5) The caliph or his representative have the duty of undertaking jihad if their territory borders on enemy lands, of dividing the spoils of battle, and of remitting a fifth for “deserving recipients.” (o25.9(8))

Jihad is obligatory for everyone when the enemy has surrounded the Muslims. (o9.3) It is permissible in jihad to cut down the enemy’s trees and destroy their dwellings. (o9.1)



PRESIDENT (CALIPH):

U.S. Constitution

Article II, Section I -- Qualifications of a President – He must be a natural born citizen, thirty-five years old, and a resident for fourteen years. The President is elected by ballot by the people (via the Electors) and shall serve for no more than 2 four-year terms.

No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.



Sharia Law

A caliph must be a Muslim, a non-slave, a male, of the Quraysh tribe, etc. (o25.0)

The Caliph appoints a group to select his successor among themselves. There is no a term of office. However, the caliphate of someone who seizes power is considered valid, even though his act of usurpation is disobedience, in view of the danger from anarchy and strife that would otherwise ensue. (o25.4(3))

(Note: The Islamic Caliphate was disbanded the Turkish Parliament in 1924.)



REMOVAL OF GOVERNMENT OFFICERS:

U.S. Constitution

Section 4 – The President and all civil Officers of the United States shall be removed from office if found guilty of treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.



Sharia Law

(No provision for removal from office.)



LEGAL AUTHORITY:

U.S. Constitution

Article VI – This Constitution and the laws of the United States which shall be made under it shall be the supreme law of the land, and judges in every state shall be bound by them.

Senators and Representatives, legislative officers, all executive and judicial officers both of the United States and the several states shall be bound by a Oath or Affirmation to support the Constitution.




Sharia Law

The source of legal rulings for all acts of those who are morally responsible is Allah. (a1.1)

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YOUR CIVIL RIGHTS

CIVIL AND RELIGIOUS RIGHTS:


U.S. Constitution

Amendment 1 – Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or the press, or the right of the people to peaceably assemble, and to petition the Government for redress of grievances.


Sharia Law

Non-Muslims are obliged to comply with Islamic rules that pertain to the safety and indemnity of life, reputation, and property. Non-Muslims are forbidden to openly display wine or pork, recite their scriptures, or make a public display of feast days or funerals. Non-Muslims are forbidden to build new churches. A non-Muslim may not enter a mosque without permission. The protection for non-Muslims is withdrawn if a non-Muslim commits adultery with a Muslim woman or marries her, leads a Muslim away from Islam, kills a Muslim, or says anything derogatory about Allah, the Prophet, or Islam. (o11.5 through o11.10)

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U.S. Constitution

Amendment 2 – The right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.



Sharia Law

It is a condition that someone buying weapons be of a people who are not at war with Muslims. (k1.2(f))

Enormities (sins) include selling weapons to non-Muslims who will use them against us. (w52.1(192))

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U.S. Constitution

Amendment 3 – No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner prescribed by law.



Sharia Law

(Not covered.) However, the Pact of Omar (636 AD) imposed on Christians in Syria, “We shall keep our gates wide open for passersby and travelers. We shall give board and lodging to all Muslims who pass our way for three days.”

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U.S. Constitution

Amendments 4 – 8 – These amendments prohibit unreasonable searches, require due process according to the law, provide for confrontation of witnesses, impose jury trial on all matters involving over $20, and prohibit excessive fines and cruel and unusual punishments. Amendment 14 provides for equal protection of the laws for all citizens.



Sharia Law

No testimony may be made by people who have lowly jobs, such as a street sweeper or a bath house attendant, or non-Muslim. (o24.2-3)

Testimony regarding fornication or sodomy requires four male eye-witnesses to the act. (o24.9)

A woman’s testimony is worth only half that of a man. (o24.10)

(There is no provision for a jury trial under Sharia Law.)

Cruel and unusual Islamic punishments include 1) stoning for adultery (o12.2); 2) scourging 40 lashes with hands, shoes, ends of clothes, or a whip for drunkenness (o16.3); 3) severing the right hand for theft of over $36 and the left foot for a repeat offense (o14.1); and 4) death for apostasy from Islam. (o8.2)

Indemnity for accidentally killing a male Muslim is 100 camels or 4,235 grams of gold. (Current value: $144,000.) Indemnity for killing a woman is half that of a man, for killing a Jew or a Christian is one-third of the indemnity paid for a Muslim. The indemnity paid for a killing Zoroastrian is one-fifteenth of that of a Muslim. The indemnity for causing a miscarriage is one slave. (o4.9)

There is no indemnity for a killing a non-Muslim at war with Muslims, an apostate, or someone sentenced to death by stoning. (o14.17)

Jews and Christians are subject to a “poll tax” not less than 1 dinar (Current value: $144) per adult male per year. No maximum is stipulated. (o11.4) This is a penalty for remaining in their ancestral religion instead of embracing the “religion of truth.” (o9.8)

A husband may beat a “rebellious” wife for 1) not allowing immediate sexual intercourse when he asks for it, at home, and if she can physically endure it; 2) answering him coldly; or 3) being averse when she was previously kind. (m5.1 and m10.12) The only limitation is that he may not break her bones, wound her, or cause bleeding.

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U.S. Constitution

Amendment 13 Slavery and involuntary servitude are abolished.



Sharia Law

The section on Slavery (k32.0) is not translated into English. The provisions remain in Arabic. The editor of “The Reliance of the Traveler” claims that these provisions are no longer applicable, yet they remain in there in the text of Sharia Law. Elsewhere, the manual states, “Originally the status of slave was simply the outcome of having been taken as a prisoner of war. A captive who could not buy his own freedom by means of ransom remained in the possession of the captor until he had earned his freedom by work or until he was granted liberty by his master.” (w13.1)

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U.S. Constitution

Amendment 21 repealed “prohibition,” thereby allowing manufacture, sale, and transport of alcoholic beverages.



Sharia Law

It is unlawful to sell grapes to someone who will make wine from them. (k4.9) “Allah cursed whoever drinks wine, gives it to others to drink, sells it, buys it, presses it for another, transports it, receives it, or eats its price.”

Enormities (sins) include drinking wine in any form or other intoxicant, even if only a drop as in medicine; pressing out the juice to make wine or other intoxicant; carrying it for purposes of drinking, or having it carried; serving it to others or having it served; selling it; buying it; having it bought or sold; consuming proceeds from selling it; or keeping wine or other intoxicant. (o16.6 and w52.1(350-361))

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So, the next time someone suggests that we should be more understanding of Sharia Law,

it would be fair to ask him/her:

"What parts of our US Constitution would they be willing to abandon

in order to accommodate Sharia Law?"

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Inch by inch...

There's at least one sane voice left in Europe (Pat Condell)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjSjp...layer_embedded

The president supposedly admires Lincoln.
Has the president considered some of Lincoln's words:
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Fellow-citizens, we cannot escape history. We of this Congress and this administration, will be remembered in spite of ourselves. No personal significance, or insignificance, can spare one or another of us. The fiery trial through which we pass, will light us down, in honor or dishonor, to the latest generation. We say we are for the Union. The world will not forget that we say this. We know how to save the Union. The world knows we do know how to save it. We -- even we here -- hold the power, and bear the responsibility. In giving freedom to the slave, we assure freedom to the free -- honorable alike in what we give, and what we preserve. We shall nobly save, or meanly lose, the last best hope of earth. Other means may succeed; this could not fail. The way is plain, peaceful, generous, just -- a way which, if followed, the world will forever applaud, and God must forever bless.
Islam will not be appeased.
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Sharia: third order effect of energy dependence

I'm not an expert on religious extremism or the spread of Sharia. It seems the most virulent feed off grievances blamed on oppressive rulers, like the Saudis. We need the Saudis to keep the price of oil stable and can't risk disruption to supply. We also want buyers for the big defense contractors that sell to foreign militaries, like the Saudis, who have more toys than they know how to use. The people of the country are stuck. They have legitimate grievances that would normally be worked out through the democratic process.

We send diplomats and others to engage civil society. And we invest in our own defense to counter the threat of extremists. But we don't address the core issue at the strategic level.

I noticed Obama decided not to go the climate conference in Copenhagen. I also noticed the Saudis announced they would need financial assistance if the world agreed on some measures to reduce dependence on oil. That could be interpreted as appeasement.

It's about the oil. Follow the money. Cut off the transfer of wealth from the West to the Middle East, or, more practically, change the foreign government. Sharia is the Saudi's insurance policy on regime change. The genie would go back in the bottle if money stopped flowing to authoritarian Middle East despots.
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I'm not an expert on religious extremism or the spread of Sharia. It seems the most virulent feed off grievances blamed on oppressive rulers, like the Saudis. We need the Saudis to keep the price of oil stable and can't risk disruption to supply. We also want buyers for the big defense contractors that sell to foreign militaries, like the Saudis, who have more toys than they know how to use. The people of the country are stuck. They have legitimate grievances that would normally be worked out through the democratic process.

We send diplomats and others to engage civil society. And we invest in our own defense to counter the threat of extremists. But we don't address the core issue at the strategic level.

I noticed Obama decided not to go the climate conference in Copenhagen. I also noticed the Saudis announced they would need financial assistance if the world agreed on some measures to reduce dependence on oil. That could be interpreted as appeasement.

It's about the oil. Follow the money. Cut off the transfer of wealth from the West to the Middle East, or, more practically, change the foreign government. Sharia is the Saudi's insurance policy on regime change. The genie would go back in the bottle if money stopped flowing to authoritarian Middle East despots.
Oriana Fallaci discusses this in her book "The Force of Reason."

A polemic, the book is worth reading...
http://www.amazon.com/Force-Reason-O...6560063&sr=8-2
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Wahhabi ficton

Here's a good synopsis of the regional dynamics. John Batchelor is kind of snarky. I like that.

Abdullah of the House of Al-Saud

The comprehensive answer is that the trouble-making by Abbas in Jerusalem is part of the succession struggle in Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia, barely 17 million ill-educated and superstitious people, is an uncivil society, which mostly means there is not reliable, established method for passing power from the used-up to the wannabees. The aged and desperate King of Arabian, Abdullah of the bad knees and broken promises, is even now preparing for his certain death by making deals around the Ummah so that his family can keep their money and power of the oil pool. It is about the money. The first well of note was 1933, and the desert gangster Ibn Saud decided to make the exploration deal with the Americans (Aramco) and not with the arrogant and drunken British colonizers (BP). Seventy-four years later, that oil pool is what gives the al-Sauds and Ibn Saud's sons their significance. Just the oil and the money it brings. The tricked up traditional extremism cult of Wahhabism is not about religion, it is about the money. After the storming of the Grand Mosque in Mecca in 1980, old dead King Fahd (son of Ibn Saud), and now new king Abdullah (son of Ibn Saud), turned the mechanism of state control to flooding the schools and mosques with cant about Islam and Arabs. It is 99% make-believe of the moment. The Ummah never was and never will be the Wahhabist fantasy of Koran-centric prohibitionism. The aim of this invention is to protect the House of Al-Saud from scrutiny and challenge. It does not work. The Ummah sees the fakery. So Fahd and now Abdullah believe that Riyadh must show a victory in Jerusalem over the hated Jews and Crusaders. It is also a fantasy, but it is an expensive and blood-minded fantasy. Abdullah of the make-believe extreme Sunni Wahhabism is now in open competition with the Supreme Leader of the make-believe Shia Twelver cult in Tehran. A fist fight, on a landscape of the Ummah, with cash and surrogates and real nukes. To protect the House of Al-Saud. To provide a successor king to the deranged and cowardly sons of Ibn Saud. Yes, it is about the money.

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