Teachers with concealed weapons, not best idea

[ddoering]

Just give them all a grenade and tell them that when the alarm sounds they are to toss it into the hallway and close the door.

[cbtengr]

Originally Posted by SF_BHT

Just voted and looks like the left is hitting the pole hard now.

Unlike elections in Illinois the poll only lets you vote once, I tried.

[JJ_BPK]

Originally Posted by Joker

63% says, "Yes, arming teachers would protect my child."

It's flipped.. 638K YES vs 912K No

BUT it is MSNBC,, PR the SJW's

[DDD]

I like what they did in Northern Texas, sign is posted that reads to the effect... Some of the faculty/employees on these grounds are armed and will use whatever force is required to protect our students.

I'm not a fan of forcing anyone to arm themselves against their wishes (kind of feels left leaning to me) OTOH mandatory training is a great idea, I doubt if it would change any minds, but exposure to new ideas is what education is all about so it would be hard for "educators" to argue against it.

[casey]

I can't comment on some of our Southern or Western states school systems, but speaking from the standpoint of large NE metro public schools in Philly, Chicago etc. - the answer is a quick - oh, hell no!

Arming teachers in these gladiator academy's will lead only to:

1) Teachers beaten & robbed of their weapons
2) Daily gun thefts from secured school "lock box/lockers"

[JJ_BPK]

Originally Posted by casey

Arming teachers in these gladiator academy's will lead only to:

1) Teachers beaten & robbed of their weapons
2) Daily gun thefts from secured school "lock box/lockers"

I currently think we need School Marshals, built on the Federal Air Marshal model.

Not only does it offer a solution that works, BUT 99% of today's teachers are a bunch of hippies bred at the Left's SJW colleges.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Who’s an expert Twitter user here? I read them but have never tweeted anything.

We need someone adept at that thing to start something like this.

#INeedAnAR15Too or #IfOnlyIHadAnAR15

IF teachers and school staff were armed and trained in the use and deployment of similar weapons used to kill their students, fewer or zero students would ever be shot and killed at school. It’s a proven philosophy adopted by every police force to arm their officers with the same or better weapons than their adversaries. The best defense against the AR-15 is another AR-15.

In Israel and other dangerous parts of the world school teachers, bus drivers, as well as trained paid professional security forces are involved in the security and safety of young students who should be focused on their education and not worried if they will be gunned down one day by a friend or former student gone mental.

Ask yourself this one question: “Why did President Barack H. Obama and many of the presidents before him send their children to a private school with United States Secret Service agents protecting them with weapons you or I or anyone else can’t have?” Yes, the Secret Service actually do have ‘Assault Weapons’ they fire automatically if needed.

The Secret Service will do everything, everything possible just like the New York Police Department and every other police officer in the world to limit collateral death in a shootout with someone who cares Little for life but, it’s still possible and very likely that innocent victims will be injured or killed in the crossfire.

Lastly everyone should know the Supreme Court ruling ‘Warren vs District of Columbia’ it states this: “[t]he duty to provide public services is owed to the public at large, and, absent a special relationship between the police and the individual, no specific legal duty exists”. That means the police have no legal duty to protect you!

Don’t blame Deputy Peterson or the other Broward County Sheriff Deputies for failing to act, remember, when help is needed the police are only one and half minutes away! That doesn’t mean when they get there they will risk their safety for yours. Don’t expect the police to have anymore training than the local CCW range person dedicated to practicing and mastering their skills. The police are often under trained and more dangerous than the average CCW holder.

At the end of the day, anyone from MSNBC, CNN and Jake Tapper, Sheriff Scot Israel and his Deputies, Hillary Rodham-Clinton or hundreds of hypocritical Hollywood stars will be there to protect your children. They will also not send or give up their “armed” security details to protect your children. You really are better off to have Mrs. D. Loesch or an NRA Member standing nearby (perhaps breaking another unenforceable law) than any of the people you see protesting about gun-control.

At the beginning of everyday a teacher prepares to go to school and teach young innocent children. They would and will do anything for them each and every day. When the time comes they will stand in front of those children and lay down their life. Why?

If it’s for the kids, then let’s allow the teachers and the good citizens of this country to protect themselves and everyone around them when evil comes. Not one child should lose his or her life because they went to school today. You guys are right - ENOUGH! The Second Amendment exists for one and only one reason: FREEDOM!

[Ret10Echo]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

just like the New York Police Department


Don’t expect the police to have anymore training than the local CCW range person dedicated to practicing and mastering their skills. The police are often under trained and more dangerous than the average CCW holder.

Funny you should mention. Out of curiosity I was looking into this last week.

Results from a 2008 Rand study "Evaluation of the New York City Police Department Firearm Training and Firearm-Discharge Review Process" it should be noted that:

Officers received semiannual firearms training consisting of 3-parts; a lecture, practice and qualification

Practice is 45 rounds
Qualification is 50 rounds.

I'll let you do the math on how many rounds they fire in a year (minimum required)

I asked an LE friend what their department's annual requirement was. It is 250 rounds per-year from their service weapon.

Also from the study it is found that during shootings 30% or fewer of rounds fired strike the intended target (suspect). Again, at the risk of being captain obvious here...that means 70% of rounds fired are "somewhere-else".

These are the people I'm supposed to sit and wait for when things go bad??

Riiigghhht....

[PSM]

Originally Posted by Ret10Echo

Also from the study it is found that during shootings 30% or fewer of rounds fired strike the intended target (suspect). Again, at the risk of being captain obvious here...that means 70% of rounds fired are "somewhere-else".

In the San Bernardino shootout, the terrorists were hit a total of 42 times. The police fired 440 rounds.

[Streck-Fu]

Originally Posted by PSM

In the San Bernardino shootout, the terrorists were hit a total of 42 times. The police fired 440 rounds.

And during the Dorner hunt, the two women delivering newspapers were shot at with 110 rounds (at reasonably close distance) with only a minor injury reported. However, several houses down range were hit as will.

[tonyz]

“School Marshalls” - highly trained and capable professionals is the best idea I’ve heard yet.

ETA: eliminate the legal fiction of “gun free zones”

Harden school entry/exits

Improve mental health treatment and get the states to report all prohibited persons to NICS

Constitutional carry across the nation for all qualified persons

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

At the end of the day, anyone from MSNBC, CNN and Jake Tapper, Sheriff Scot Israel and his Deputies, Hillary Rodham-Clinton or hundreds of hypocritical Hollywood stars will NOT be there to protect your children.

Fixed it for ya.

[bblhead672]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

The time is now for “School Marshals”, but guess what, congressmen, senators, millionaires, and trust fund babies don’t spend 7-8 hours a day at a kids school, so I don’t ever see “School Marshals” happening.

What I’d do as prez is close the TSA, (And the ATF, EPA, BLM etc) tell the airlines they are back in charge of their own security and start the "School Marshal" program.

Had any of the last 10 school shootings occurred at harvard, yale or berkley you bet the feds would have placed a heavily armed FBI agent or twenty at these schools, permanently.

If it ain't happening to the "elite" no one really cares.

Let's not forget, many of the congressional kritters, millionaires and trust fund babies send their children to private schools protected by armed guards.
If removing guns from citizens is the right idea, lets start with all of the progressive socialists and their allies disarming all of their security staff.

[Ret10Echo]

You also miss the idea of a defense in depth. A security/resource officer/police officer INSIDE the building has already lost the advantage.

If we're done using kids lives as a political tool and when we decide as a nation to stop living in a fantasy world of "safe places" we will get on board with the rest of the world that CHOOSES to protect their children (NO SHIT FOR REAL) and ACCEPTS the FACT that there is evil in the world seeking to do harm.

The Israelis have accepted that they live in a high risk environment and act appropriately.

We act a lot more like the Nigerians where entire schools are abducted.

Nope, we won't fix the problem because fixing problems does not fit political agendas.

[PSM]

Originally Posted by Streck-Fu

However, several houses down range were hit as will.

In San Berdoo, too.