07-19-2016, 18:53
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Thank you scooter and PRB.
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Originally Posted by PRB
I was the Team Sgt. of another ODA later after a rotation to the SGM Acad. (went as an E8).
The Team leadership usually stays with that ODA for their complete tour/time unless something unusual happens.
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Originally Posted by scooter
I had four years of team Sgt. time, it was considered unusual. Two years is the average, and three not that unusual either. At least, that's the current state of things.
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The length of time an E8 will be an Operations Sergeant-
Does this mean that the average time as a team sergeant on a particular team is 2-3 years before he is assigned a new team, or that an 18Z will only be an 18Z for 2-3 years before he will have to start getting ready for SGM?
(Just my own stupid, backwards, civilian opinion but all that experience and knowledge that an E8 has at that point seems like kind of a waste if he is only allowed to be in that position for the same amount of time as an officer would be a TL. please forgive my peanut gallery commentary0
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07-19-2016, 21:41
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Originally Posted by miclo18d
I was lucky in that respect, I was always the junior/senior medic. Never enough 18d's around. When a new medic came on board, it was usually a high 5 to the FOG leaving... "Here's the key to the med locker, good luck"
When I screwed up it was me and the the Team Daddy, so I made it my business not to screw up!
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18D's usually smarter then the rest of us...... and then there's Guy.
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07-20-2016, 08:07
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Originally Posted by NotActuallyHard
Does this mean that the average time as a team sergeant on a particular team is 2-3 years before he is assigned a new team, or that an 18Z will only be an 18Z for 2-3 years before he will have to start getting ready for SGM?
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That's all the time you get. You won't go to another team unless there are extenuating circumstances or there is some kind of problem and you need to move teams.
Team Sergeant is usually the first E8 job an SF guy gets, unless you are in the penalty box or there is currently no room on a team for you. After that, there are a myriad of staff and instructor jobs that need post team sergeant E8s to fill. The SGM "try-out" route is to go be a first sergeant, and or a BN/Group OPS SGT. There are 21 SF E8s in an SF BN, and one First Sergeant job. Everyone in 5th SFG who made the E8 list in the past couple of years had 1SG time. I can't speak for the other Groups. Rightly or wrongly, its usually the key discriminator. You can make SGM without it, but it is less likely.
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07-20-2016, 11:09
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...and I'll add, be extremely thick skinned as you're going to own that screw up for a very long time. All you can hope for is someone else screws up worse immediately afterwards. You're going to be cannon-fodder for the whole team. Taking your lumps and overcoming them is part of our culture.
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07-20-2016, 13:21
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...knowing when to call your team sergeant "Sergeant" is the first step towards earning the right to call him by his first name at all
just my two cents
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07-20-2016, 15:08
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It is really simple...
Yes Sergeant.
No Sergeant, I will never do that again.
Yes Sergeant.
1 Sergeant.
2 Sergeant.
3 Sergeant.
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50 Sergeant.
Sergeant, request permission to recover.
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07-20-2016, 15:10
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Is Team Sergeant the end of the road?
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Originally Posted by Billy L-bach
...knowing when to call your team sergeant "Sergeant" is the first step towards earning the right to call him by his first name at all
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Perfect. Thank you.
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Originally Posted by scooter
That's all the time you get.
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Scooter, again, thank you!
Hope QP's don't mind the next questions:
Hollywood would have me believe that even full bird colonels ( ex: John Wayne, The Green Berets 1968) are still slinging lead (heck, maybe they did in those days, but I'm guessing this isn't the case).
I am under the impression that being a team sergeant is the last time an enlisted QP actually gets to be on the ground, going on missions, doing bad things to bad people personally.
At what rank is the QP no longer required or allowed to be part of a detachment? After an E8 is a team sergeant is there no going back?
Would a 1SGT or SGM ever go with a detachment in the team sergeant role if an 18Z was suddenly unavailable prior to a mission starting and not while the mission is taking place?
If not would the 18F take up the slack and be expected fill both roles?
Sorry, that's a whole bunch of questions.
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07-20-2016, 15:12
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Originally Posted by Joker
Yes Sergeant.
No Sergeant, I will never do that again.
Yes Sergeant.
1 Sergeant.
2 Sergeant.
3 Sergeant.
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50 Sergeant.
Sergeant, request permission to recover.
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Understood. Thank you Joker.
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07-20-2016, 15:50
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Team Sergeant
.....Would a 1SGT or SGM ever go with a detachment in the team sergeant role if an 18Z was suddenly unavailable prior to a mission starting and not while the mission is taking place............
Son, if you're running around on the ground trying to be a Team Sergeant as a 1SG or SGM you're not doing the job you're being paid for.
Why don't you just focus on the 25 meter target instead of what's happening on the other continent.
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07-20-2016, 16:50
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Originally Posted by Pete
.....Would a 1SGT or SGM ever go with a detachment in the team sergeant role if an 18Z was suddenly unavailable prior to a mission starting and not while the mission is taking place............
Son, if you're running around on the ground trying to be a Team Sergeant as a 1SG or SGM you're not doing the job you're being paid for.
Why don't you just focus on the 25 meter target instead of what's happening on the other continent.
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NotActuallyHard -
I'll give you a clue as to your answer here - it is "Roger that, SGM, understood, I will shut up now." That is all.
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