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New Cases Test Optimism on Extremism by U.S. Muslims
And so it goes...
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New Cases Test Optimism on Extremism by U.S. Muslims
Scott Shane, NYT, 11 Dec 2009
As the years passed after Sept. 11, 2001, without another major attack on American soil and with no sign of hidden terrorist cells, many counterterrorism specialists reached a comforting conclusion: Muslims in the United States were not very vulnerable to radicalization.
American Muslims, the reasoning went, were well assimilated in diverse communities with room for advancement. They showed little of the alienation often on display among their European counterparts, let alone attraction to extremist violence.
But with a rash of recent cases in which Americans have been accused of being drawn into terrorist scheming, the rampage at Fort Hood, Tex., last month and now the alarming account of five young Virginia men who went to Pakistan and are suspected of seeking jihad, the notion that the United States has some immunity against homegrown terrorists is coming under new scrutiny.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/12/us...er=rss&emc=rss
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12-12-2009, 10:22
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Perhaps someone or something is motivating them to become extremists, or perhaps they have been extreme for a long time, and everyone was ignoring the angry young man.
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12-12-2009, 13:52
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It appears Mahdi Bray and the members of the unmarked mosque sure are struggling to understand why such well-liked members of an Islamic youth group would become radicalized ….Hmmm…wonder what it could be 
Mahdi Bray seems to make a pretty good point….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBIcf...layer_embedded
Spencer has more - he says the Muslim American Society is the Muslim Brotherhood whose creed is "Allah is our goal; the Messenger is our model; the Koran is our constitution; jihad is our means; and martyrdom in the way of Allah is our aspiration."
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/12/vi...d-have-be.html
Are these five somehow tied to Daniel Boyd 
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12-12-2009, 13:59
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I say again!!!! I belive that the "True Extremists" are those that want/do live peaceably amongst us!!! For the "normal islamists", our total eradication is the only way, unless we convert to islam!!!
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12-12-2009, 22:24
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I say again!!!! I belive that the "True Extremists" are those that want/do live peaceably amongst us!!! For the "normal islamists", our total eradication is the only way, unless we convert to islam!!!
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I think you assessment is spot-on Sir. It baffles my mind how a learned scholar at Georgetown who studies terrorism, Bruce Hoffman, can make the assertion that blowback is the cause of radicalization:
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Like many other specialists, Mr. Hoffman pointed to the United States’ combat in Muslim lands as the only obvious spur to many of the recent cases, especially those with a Pakistani connection.
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So it's not the Qur'an, the history of Islam, or the life of Mohammed that spurs them ? What about Spain, the Philippines, Algeria, Morocco or Thailand ?
“…he [Muhammad] declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind…The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God.”
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12-12-2009, 23:20
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I think you assessment is spot-on Sir. It baffles my mind how a learned scholar at Georgetown who studies terrorism, Bruce Hoffman, can make the assertion that blowback is the cause of radicalization:
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Georgetown has been bought and paid for by the Saudis.
Anything coming out of there has to have the blessing of the intellectual prostitute himself, John Esposito.
Amazing what people will do for money...and how easily they will sell out their own country.
READ IT HERE:
http://www.investigativeproject.org/...ion-vs-reality
You make the call.
I find it particularly ironic, given that Georgtown University was started by the Jesuits (Catholics) and their founder, John Carroll, said:
"On this academy is built
all my hope of permanency and success
to our H. Religion in the United States."
- John Carroll, SJ
Founder, Georgetown University
It's a shame that the current generation of Jesuits at Georgetown have sold out.
Father Carroll must be rolling over in his grave.
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http://books.google.com/books?id=C04...anency&f=false
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So it's not the Qur'an, the history of Islam, or the life of Mohammed that spurs them ? What about Spain, the Philippines, Algeria, Morocco or Thailand ?
“…he [Muhammad] declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind…The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God.”
-John Quincy Adams-
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Our Founding Fathers were smart men. John Adams raised his son well.
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12-12-2009, 23:29
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Last edited by SWATcop20SFG; 12-12-2009 at 23:32.
Reason: Wrong Section, sorry
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12-13-2009, 00:01
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Not only the wrong section, but not in compliance with the board rules and stickies yet either.
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"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." - President Theodore Roosevelt, 1910
De Oppresso Liber 01/20/2025
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12-13-2009, 19:08
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Georgetown
Painting of the quote from Georgetown's founder, John Carroll, SJ (Society of Jesus).
Painting is part of a mural on Georgetown's campus.
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