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Old 01-27-2010, 19:36   #16
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Another 'ghost' written piece of historical fiction.

All natural institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
- Thomas Paine

Man is the religious animal. He is the only religious animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion, several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat, if his theology isn’t straight. He has made a graveyard of the globe in trying his honest best to smooth his brother’s path to happiness and heaven.
- Mark Twain

However...YMMV...and maybe I've just seen too much theological hypocrisy to go along with it all...but I have to wonder why there are on-going arguments for God's existence because people don't argue over things they know exist...and so it goes...

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Old 01-27-2010, 19:55   #17
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Another 'ghost' written piece of historical fiction.

All natural institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
- Thomas Paine

Man is the religious animal. He is the only religious animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion, several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat, if his theology isn’t straight. He has made a graveyard of the globe in trying his honest best to smooth his brother’s path to happiness and heaven.
- Mark Twain

However...YMMV...and maybe I've just seen too much theological hypocrisy to go along with it all...but I have to wonder why there are on-going arguments for God's existence because people don't argue over things they know exist...and so it goes...

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just for the sake of conversation have you considered that all the witnesses to Christ's resurrection and ascention as well as thousands in the early church all suffered torture and death when all they had to do was recant? And all the fullfilled prophesies ? They REALLY saw something remarkable don't you think.
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just for the sake of conversation have you considered that all the witnesses to Christ's resurrection and ascention as well as thousands in the early church all suffered torture and death when all they had to do was recant? And all the fullfilled prophesies ? They REALLY saw something remarkable don't you think.
Yup. And many saw what they saw at the same time (rules out hallucinations).

Every one of the apostles met a martyr's death except John. Crucified, hanged, run through with spears, shot with arrows, stoned, boiled in oil, etc....

Today, there are over 100,000 Christians killed for their faith every year.

Look up Open Doors and Voice of the Martyrs.
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Old 01-27-2010, 21:13   #19
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And as far as something to consider - if morality is doing what's right, regardless of what you are told - why is so much of accepted theological morality doing what you are told, no matter whether or not it is right?

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