08-16-2004, 09:23
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I've been carrying/shooting .45 ACP hydrashoks, but I see that the APLP/Lemas is highly favored.
Is there a way to purchase a lot of this ammunition for carry?
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08-17-2004, 10:43
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I've been carrying/shooting .45 ACP hydrashoks, but I see that the APLP/Lemas is highly favored.
Is there a way to purchase a lot of this ammunition for carry?
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Good question Alex,
TR, APLP, or Guy would best be able to answer that one. Gents?
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08-17-2004, 11:00
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I will defer to APLP on who he can sell to.
A non-AP enhanced civilian version of the ammo is marketed by RBCD, IIRC, their site is www.rbcd.net
APLP may also be able to speak on the legalities of the ammo, but I do not believe that any of the versions fall under the statutes regarding AP ammo.
HTH.
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08-17-2004, 12:14
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I cannot say what the commercial loads will do, but from a 3.5" Para P12 at 7 yards, every round of the 90gr. LeMas will cleanly hole a 1/4" hardened aluminum armor plate, or a 11 ga. Stainless steel panel.
FYI, 230 gr. Hydrashock will barely make a mark on the aluminum, and will moderately dent, but not penetrate the stainless.
Good stuff!
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08-17-2004, 14:37
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I was reading some of the testimonials on their site, and it looks to be very popular among the professionals.
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08-17-2004, 17:05
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I have posted these before, but here is the LeMas and Hydrashok shots on aluminum armor, from the Para P-12 3.5" barrel.
HTH explain better.
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08-17-2004, 17:06
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Here are the same loads on stainless steel plate.
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08-17-2004, 17:36
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Anybody need to see the hard target penetration capability in video, or will you take my word for it?
If I'm lyin', I'm dyin'!
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08-17-2004, 18:37
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Quote:
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Anybody need to see the hard target penetration capability in video, or will you take my word for it?
If I'm lyin', I'm dyin'!
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I will take your word for it, but I'd like to see the video again too!
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08-18-2004, 07:51
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Quote:
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Anybody need to see the hard target penetration capability in video, or will you take my word for it?
If I'm lyin', I'm dyin'!
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I'm a believer. I wish I could purchase some of this stuff. Too bad former military don't count as end users.
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08-18-2004, 08:38
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I will take your word for it, but I'd like to see the video again too!
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Speaking of wanting to see a video...
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08-18-2004, 09:04
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Sorry, can't currently be posted due to site restrictions.
Got someone working on it.
It is a VERY impressive MP-5SD full auto clip.
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08-18-2004, 09:11
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Quote:
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Speaking of wanting to see a video...
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As soon as we catch someone, we'll get a clip posted. Surveillance is underway!
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08-18-2004, 13:07
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Quote:
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Here are the same loads on stainless steel plate.
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DAMMMMMM!!!!!!
Im sold on the Lemas!!! I will definately make them apart of my basic load. Thanks TR
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