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Old 07-02-2009, 12:18   #16
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...stabbing, shooting or beheading someone because they have "dishonored" your family is nothing more than criminal.
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Any attempt to "understand" this behavior is as frivilous as the excuse itself.
I disagree - understanding - a hallmark of SF unless things have drastically changed - is neither frivilous nor an indication of empathy or agreement with any act/individual/group.

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The offenders AS WELL as the sympathizers should be ran over by a train.
I also disagree with this reasoning - the offender(s) and those who criminally aided/abeted the offender should be held legally accountable. Laws exist - enforce them - except there are those nasty mitigating and extenuating circumstances to be considered...or not. Complicated it is.

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Old 07-02-2009, 13:49   #17
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The point has been made (earlier post) as to what radical Islam is...it is simply Islam...the moderates are actually interpreting their faith along cultural lines rather than religious dictate.
If one studiously follows the Quran, Hadiths and the Sunnah then one cannot argue against Sharia as interpreted by hard line followers.
Honor killing is an accepted manner of enforcing patriarchal/tribal law and is supported in the primary and widely accepted Islamic texts.
To deny this aspect of Islam is to pretend the faith is other than what it is.
Islam is not secular, it is an everyday life way of application from how to wipe ones ass to dividing up dowery to washing etc......etc....
Justice, and how it should be handled are easily referred to.
Muslims basically lie to westerners about that as they know we are ignorant of their faith...they trot out abbrogated passages of the Quran to mollify the uneducated like the hire lawyers to push within a free society that they would undo and make hostage to their faith.
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Old 07-02-2009, 15:10   #18
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Sounds like we're gonna need something like a Pre-Crime Unit* to survive. Glad I kept my demo knife sharpened.

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Old 07-02-2009, 21:57   #19
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Sounds like we're gonna need something like a Pre-Crime Unit* to survive. Glad I kept my demo knife sharpened.

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I know you are an educated man but I wonder about the depth of your study of Islam.
Islam has never been at peace with secular society or the west, only in periods of major weakness has it appeared benign and that has changed due to petro dollars.
In what western Nation have you seen Islamic assimilation? I am not talking about the NOI or that spin off but basic Sunni...wahabbi Islam.
In what Islamic society would you, as a non Muslim, live comfortably unless you lived in a non Muslim enclave like all of the expats working overseas.
Are all Mulsims devils, of course not, but, and this is a big but, the Quran forbids taking the side of the Kafir on penalty of hell...so who do you think Muslims side with given a push...the kafir moderates or the hard line Muslims.
Certain philosophies are anathema to a free society...Islam is just that.
I didn't always feel that way, as you, I thought there could be compromise.
30 years experience in the ME with friends, allies, enemies and years spent studying the gold standard of Islam has changed my opinion.
They, the Ummah, are not seeking compromise.
CAIR is not seeking justice but advantage.
"Why can't we all just get along" in this instance, is something I didn't expect from experienced SF with oconus experience
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Old 07-03-2009, 05:38   #20
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http://www.futureofmuslimworld.com/r...-jihadi-groups

http://www.futureofmuslimworld.com/

http://mes.hudson.org/

http://crf.hudson.org/

Historically speaking - same song - different arrangement - new dance hall...

WTBN* - Who'll be the next monotheistic idol?

As for me - I believe in the laws of nature and nature's God,** toughness, steeliness and even meanness.

I learned these traits from my father. Toughness came first. I am the first-born and the son who could run faster than my brothers, the one who played all day with an injury or broken tooth. I'm the one who thought my Dad was the toughest man around — and I wanted to be just like him. He rarely missed a day of school, worked as a field laborer to pay his college tuition, survived the PTO in WW2, and toiled as a carpenter for over 30 years to reach the love of his life - farming and ranching.

My dad also taught me steeliness, an unwillingness to surrender one’s important goals. Steeliness helped me attain the goals I've set for myself in life, kept me alive on any number of occasions, and is an underlying current running through my frame. People recognize the steeliness and mention it - which often surprises me as I don’t notice it at all. But sometimes even toughness and steeliness aren't enough - and I also believe in meanness.

I am not a giant by any means, but at 6'4" and 230 pounds, I have a natural presence and stature. As a second-career educator and high school administrator, I often teach people who aren't always eager to learn - and I'm the mean teacher. I like to push students harder than they want to be pushed. Some of them don't like me at the time, but they usually end up appreciating me later on. I know because they often return to tell me so - even when I've expelled them. Hate me now, love me later is a motto I can live with.

But I'm even mean with myself. Sometimes it's meanness that gets me out of bed in the morning, like after a night of drinking too much or to exercise. I generally go to bed at 2230 and get up at 0400 to exercise. I'm not nice to myself — I don't give myself permission to stay home. Some of my best teaching days have been the result of my refusal to make others suffer for my poor self-discipline. Meanness with myself keeps me accountable.

That tough and steely will my father gave me helps me bear his loss - and the loss of many others. I watched my father die of cancer, but he never gave up on wanting to live. Perhaps it would have been easier on both him and the family had he given in to the bones roller, had he not fought to the absolute last breath. Although I do not have him in my life anymore, I got to see him as himself to the very end of his. I understand the poet Dylan Thomas, who pleads with his own father to rage, rage against the dying of the light.

We are usually encouraged to be more gentle, understanding, sympathetic. But when life has tested me the most, I believe it's my toughness, my steeliness and even my meanness that get me through...and will continue to do so.

MOO - and my point - this nation and its ideals reflect that nature of my personality - and that of its citizens, in general. And this I believe.

YMMV

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Old 07-03-2009, 09:45   #21
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PA Arabs in Late Response to Obama Speech: No, We Can't

PA Arabs in Late Response to Obama Speech: No, We Can't

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132187

IsraelNN.com) A poll released this week showed that PA Arabs are reluctant to grant rights to Jews or Christians within areas demanded for a PA state. A survey conducted by the Arab World for Research and Development among 1,200 Arab residents of Judea, Samaria and Gaza found that did not feel Jerusalem should be shared with Jews and Christians.

When asked to what extent they agreed with a statement made by United States President Barack Obama that Jerusalem should be “a secure and lasting home for Jews and Christians and Muslims,” less than 17 percent said they agree, while 20 percent said they “somewhat agree.” More than 42 percent said they disagree with the statement, while 17 percent “somewhat disagree.”....................

Islamist insurgency threatens Christian community in Pakistan: Will you help?

http://christianquoter.blogspot.com/...christian.html


............"A Christian leader from Pakistan’s North West Frontier Province told Barnabas Fund last week how the Taliban are trying to enforce their interpretation of Islam on the whole nation. “That is why the religious minorities fear for their safety and their future,” he said. He described how Christians, desperate to blend in for safety’s sake, are beginning to dress like Muslims and the Christian men to grow beards so that they look like Muslims."........

Come on now folks, all together - one - two - three - Dhimmitude
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Old 07-04-2009, 12:06   #22
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Muslims attack fleeing Christians with acid

Muslims attack fleeing Christians with acid
9 women, 4 children injured by rampage

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"......The report said 600 Muslims used gasoline bombs to vandalize 117 homes belonging to Christians – including 48 damaged by fire, and sabotage water pumps and cut electricity.

According to the report, the violence apparently stemmed from an incident one night earlier, "in which a Christian man driving a tractor requested that a Muslim man riding a motorcycle allow him to pass........"

Islam is a peaceful religion looking to live in peace with the other religions of the world?
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