09-06-2014, 18:24
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Aircraft carrier tests don't go well for China
If their military is anything like everything else I've seen and experienced here so far I don't know that I'd worry about it too much. Did anybody like the ski jump on the bow of the ship? I'll be waiting for the news report about the catastrophic accident on the "made in China" super carrier.
http://news.yahoo.com/china-says-2-p...054206823.html
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09-06-2014, 18:35
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The U.S. Navy has had nearly 100 years of experience flying aircraft off ships. One generation of pilots (sorry, aviators) trained the next over the following decades. It's pretty hard to start from scratch and be able to compete with that wealth of experience. That said, our Navy loses aviators every year as well.
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09-06-2014, 18:56
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Originally Posted by Brush Okie
Wonder if they will ever learn to angle the runway off to the side instead of front of the shit so when mishaps happen the ship will not automatically run over the aircraft and pilot?
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They do not need to do that there are literally millions to replace them.
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09-06-2014, 19:04
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Originally Posted by Brush Okie
Wonder if they will ever learn to angle the runway off to the side instead of front of the shit so when mishaps happen the ship will not automatically run over the aircraft and pilot?
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I'm not sure pilot safety in that area is much of a concern. Our carriers have catapults off the bow.
I thought that the angled deck was for simultaneous land/launch operations.
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09-06-2014, 19:31
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They do not need to do that there are literally millions to replace them.
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Classic
We really should have some sort of points system on here for this shit.
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09-06-2014, 20:01
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I believe the ramp style deck is the non assist type only. The side strip must have the steam launch assist.
Looks like landings must be from the stern only.
If the material they get from local producer's is anything like the crap I've seen in car parts that booger will sink shortly and the AC will fly to pieces once launched.
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09-07-2014, 00:41
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Originally Posted by PRB
I believe the ramp style deck is the non assist type only. The side strip must have the steam launch assist.
Looks like landings must be from the stern only.
If the material they get from local producer's is anything like the crap I've seen in car parts that booger will sink shortly and the AC will fly to pieces once launched.
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Raunched?
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09-16-2014, 22:23
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Originally Posted by Broadsword2004
So most everything you have been experiencing in China is lousy quality? Just curious, but what things in particular?
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Just about everything other than rice and noodles. Those are kind of hard to screw up.
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09-16-2014, 23:14
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Wait'll they try a few night landings in low vis. They'd better build a hospital ship as an escort. Just saying ...
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09-22-2014, 10:32
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The quality of the military versus other things in China makes me curious, because I have read that in the Soviet Union, while much of the regular civilian stuff was really lousy-quality, there was a lot more effort put into making things for the military be higher quality. I don't think this means the Soviet military had great-quality stuff, but the quality control effort was better apparently. I wonder if it is the same with China, where civilian things can be low quality, but things for the military better?
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Just an opinion...
Re: Soviet equipment quality: I know they always seemed to over engineer and build stuff heavy and clunky. What made some of their designs and fabrications successful was that they built a large number of whatever they were building (T-34's and AK-47's for example), and their tendency to over engineer sometimes produced some remarkable stuff, IMO, like the MIG-25 Foxbat (admittedly a flying brick but a damned fast brick). Arnie's movie "Red Heat" is stereotypical of a clumsy bull who craps on whatever he doesn't break while wearing a XL digital watch with an alarm that'd wake the dead. Once USSR collapsed the deterioration of ships, at least, was so rapid that it was apparent the logistics element of their systems engineering was poor. I'd vote that whatever "quality" they had was more by accident and their industrial proficiency in reverse engineering someone else's quality idea. The Chinese have their own reverse engineering love affair going on.
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09-22-2014, 10:42
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Originally Posted by Rumblyguts
I thought that the angled deck was for simultaneous land/launch operations.
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This is true but is only part of the reason. The first angled decks appeared on the USS Antietam in 1946. It included an angled deck to accommodate the higher landing speeds of jets. The ability to launch and recover may have been an added benefit or part of the original concept. That I don't know.
The idea comes to us from the Brits.
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04-16-2015, 19:13
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china's navy modernization
http://thediplomat.com/2015/04/revel...modernization/
well, the latest tally is out. Where is our naval historians? Is this consistent with our extrapolation, forecast and projection?
As the information includes even leadership structure with promotion potentials, I can't help but wonder how many assets are burned over the disclosure...
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