05-23-2012, 16:52
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Female Soldiers Sue U.S. in Challenge to Combat Limits
Female Soldiers Sue U.S. in Challenge to Combat Limits
By Tom Schoenberg, David Lerman and Sara Forden - May 23, 2012 3:35 PM MT
Two female soldiers asked a federal judge to throw out the U.S. military’s restrictions on women in combat, claiming the policy violates their constitutional rights.
U.S. Army reservists Jane Baldwin and Ellen Haring, in a lawsuit filed today in Washington, said policies excluding them from assignments “solely because they are women” violate their right to equal protection guaranteed by the Constitution’s 5th Amendment. The complaint names Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and Army Secretary John McHugh as defendants.
“This limitation on plaintiffs’ careers restricts their current and future earnings, their potential for promotion and advancement, and their future retirement benefits,” the women said in the complaint filed by Christopher Sipes of Covington & Burling LLP in Washington.
The Pentagon in February announced a change in policy that opened more than 14,000 additional positions to women across the armed services, most of them in the Army. Still, it stopped short of allowing women to serve in so-called ground combat assignments, including special forces and long range reconnaissance operations.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...at-policy.html
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05-23-2012, 16:59
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All well and good until females start getting dead in large numbers.
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05-23-2012, 17:06
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Well...I pooped today.
If it works, don't fix it.
And so it goes...
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05-23-2012, 17:19
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Well...I pooped today.
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Am I misunderstanding, or do you actually believe the education system is working as it should?
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05-23-2012, 17:25
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Am I misunderstanding, or do you actually believe the education system is working as it should?
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Huh? I thought this thread was about the roles of women in combat and the push to change them.
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05-23-2012, 17:26
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I...I...I
Cross thread points?
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05-24-2012, 00:38
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Tell me if I'm wrong. But is the "thrust" of this thread to discuss ramifications of females, playing an up close and personal role with our "hardest" of our our "hard core" front line fieldsoldiers, namely - SF and Ranger?
If so, either things have dramitically changed, or our current batch of young SF have gone "soft".
Back in the day, the ugliest of the ugly, could completly derailed the best of our "hard Core" best with nothing more than a half-ass smile and being co located in the same grid square.
So how the he'll is it going to work by mixing in some hard core gals with our young troops?
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All well and good until females start getting dead in large numbers.
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Exactly..........
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05-25-2012, 10:31
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I dunno, I dig women with guns.......
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05-25-2012, 11:22
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I dunno, I dig women with guns.......
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You mean like these?............
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I believe that SF is a 'calling' - not too different from the calling missionaries I know received. I knew instantly that it was for me, and that I would do all I could to achieve it. Most others I know in SF experienced something similar. If, as you say, you HAVE searched and read, and you do not KNOW if this is the path for you --- it is not....
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05-25-2012, 11:47
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The phrase "be careful what you ask for" comes to mind.
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05-25-2012, 11:59
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"All well and good until females start getting dead in large numbers."
I once thoght this would be the case but I don't think so anymore.
We've had females captured, killed, seriously maimed (and in Wounded Warrior commercials legless etc) and the public has accepted this almost without issue.
No public outcry about any female aspect to KIA's.
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05-25-2012, 13:07
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"All well and good until females start getting dead in large numbers."
I once thoght this would be the case but I don't think so anymore.
We've had females captured, killed, seriously maimed (and in Wounded Warrior commercials legless etc) and the public has accepted this almost without issue.
No public outcry about any female aspect to KIA's.
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Not yet, and I hope you're right.
We'll see if, God forbid, female casualties approach the rate of males.
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What do you do when your squad deploys short three riflemen, and two of the remaining ones get pregnant?
One thing you can guarantee is that will never happen in a all-male infantry unit, and there will be a lot fewer harassment and discrimination complaints as well.
Too bad no one will tell the survivors of SPC Snuffy that he died when his 110 lb. battle buddy who couldn't pass the same APFT couldn't drag his ass to cover.
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“This limitation on plaintiffs’ careers restricts their current and future earnings, their potential for promotion and advancement, and their future retirement benefits,” the women said in the complaint filed by Christopher Sipes of Covington & Burling LLP in Washington.
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There is no difference in retirement benefits. how does your current job limit your earnings. There is no special pay for combat troops as opposed to support troops.
Have they been smoking some of the Hashish that my Afghans are?
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