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Old 08-15-2012, 20:07   #31
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Hmmmm...you don't accept Islam and bad things will happen (according to Muslims)...you don't accept Christianity and bad things will happen (according to Christians)...you don't accept Judaism and bad things will happen (according to Jews)...and so forth.

I think I'll just stick with the "Nature's Laws and the God of Nature" philosophy which just "is" and just try to live a reasoanble life as a reasonably good person.

And so it goes...

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Old 08-15-2012, 21:42   #32
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The prophet “Big Mo” said: “No babe is born upon Fitra (as a Muslim). It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Polytheist” (Sahih Muslim, Book 033)

Well this is embarrassing, I've never heard of this Sahih Muslim fella

I have no doubt that all these rules and laws were written. It is very unfortunate that such angry people knew how to write, if only they were illiterate, we wouldn't have so many daggum rules!

Back to "mainstream" though, I guess it would depend on how "mainstream" is defined. If mainstream muslims buy this crap, I guess many then aren't mainstream.

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Old 08-15-2012, 23:32   #33
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The prophet “Big Mo” said: “No babe is born upon Fitra (as a Muslim). It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Polytheist” (Sahih Muslim, Book 033)

It is unfortunate that such angry people knew how to write, if only they were illiterate, we wouldn't have so many daggum rules!
Thanks for the quote as I got the abridged, summarized version and by no means am an expert. I got the information second hand from a very educated and experienced "Islamic expert".

Hornbill - A big problem is the lack of education and literacy. As you know already, the Koran is written in Arabic. People that speak Pashtu can't read the Koran and about 80% of Pashtuns can't read or write anyways (my Pashtu teacher always reinforced how our class could read/ write better than most Afghanis). They get the information from the tribal Maliks who received their version from someone else by mouth, etc. etc. A wicked unbreakable chain they are taught from children. It's pretty hard to convince an adult that everything he/ she's known since they were a child isn't right.
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Old 08-16-2012, 06:25   #34
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I'd like to learn about the different sects and stuff. You know, what's a Sunni vs. a Shia and that kind of thing. Ps.com's Islam for Dummies. Book recommendations would be good too, but I am hoping for some high-level explanations.

Now if we can get some disagreements among the knowledgable, this could be a great thread.

Here you are

For Islam basics:
http://www.islam-guide.com/

Sects and shia:
http://www.islamawareness.net/Deviant/
http://www.islamlife.com/religion2/c...on-in-summary-

Islam in all languages (More details):
http://www.islamhouse.com/
http://www.chatislamonline.org/

Books:
http://www.sultan.org/books/


Looking for islamic view of x topic, Use this :
http://bemuslims.weebly.com/muslims-search-engine.html

AnWar - FTFSI - you need to go here and read ( http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...ead.php?t=3452 ) and then here to post an Intro ( http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...371#post463371 ) and here to fill out your User Profile ( http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...er.php?u=29177 ) before posting again if you want to participate in this BB. Richard

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Old 08-16-2012, 09:28   #35
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Hornbill - A big problem is the lack of education and literacy. As you know already, the Koran is written in Arabic. People that speak Pashtu can't read the Koran and about 80% of Pashtuns can't read or write anyways (my Pashtu teacher always reinforced how our class could read/ write better than most Afghanis). They get the information from the tribal Maliks who received their version from someone else by mouth, etc. etc. A wicked unbreakable chain they are taught from children. It's pretty hard to convince an adult that everything he/ she's known since they were a child isn't right.[/QUOTE]

Adam1680 - Can't argue with you there. Even with good literacy rates, it's amazing how ignorant many muslims can be (personal opinion from personal experience, not a scholarly educated statement)

T-Rock - Imam Shafi'i must've been seriously constipated, always talking about killing and all that negativity!

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