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Old 12-04-2004, 17:45   #1
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Survival Kit Pouch

I am thinking about a dedicated, purpose-built pouch for a survival kit.
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Old 12-04-2004, 17:50   #2
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First or second line

How big is it going to be? Is this going to be first or second line gear?
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Old 12-04-2004, 18:26   #3
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yes I agree.. although I stopped thinking about them and just BUILT one :-)

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Old 12-04-2004, 20:19   #4
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I'm still thinking. Which one is the one you built egg? BTW, you're doing this one too.
1. First line - needs to be always with. Either belt mounted or built for a cargo pocket on pants. The new 5.11 stuff got me thinking. I'm thinking like a bail out of a vehicle under fire kind of thing. Not long term survival. An hour or two or whatever time it takes for the calvary to arrive. If its belt mounted, it needs to go on the rigger belt and horizontal.
2. Size dictated by the above.
3. Needs to hold a Pocket or WETSU-sized kit. A signal mirror (a real one).
4. Med stuff to treat maybe two GSW? No IVs.

What else?
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Old 12-04-2004, 20:42   #5
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I'm still thinking. Which one is the one you built egg? BTW, you're doing this one too.
1. First line - needs to be always with. Either belt mounted or built for a cargo pocket on pants. The new 5.11 stuff got me thinking. I'm thinking like a bail out of a vehicle under fire kind of thing. Not long term survival. An hour or two or whatever time it takes for the calvary to arrive. If its belt mounted, it needs to go on the rigger belt and horizontal.
2. Size dictated by the above.
3. Needs to hold a Pocket or WETSU-sized kit. A signal mirror (a real one).
4. Med stuff to treat maybe two GSW? No IVs.

What else?
Agreed.

I would add to the med and signal gear, a Leatherman or large folder, a Surefire light, at least one spare mag, and a cell phone/GPS.

Are we up to a Maxpedition Fatboy yet?

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Old 12-04-2004, 22:10   #6
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NDD, if you're talking a bail-out type affair due to bad guys shooting at you, how about considering something like a fanny pack or the Kifaru E&E vice a small belt pouch? Sure they're bigger, but they could more easily hold the stuff you might need in that case, such as a few extra rifle mags (assuming you're not wearing full battle rattle, but maybe a 5.11 vest), a smoke and/or frag, a GPS, a small gunshot kit, some water, a small radio, and your pocket survival kit. Not sure if a CSM Gear large fanny (or a MOLLE II waist pack) would carry the various combinations of that list, but a Kifaru E&E would, yet it only measures approx. 15" x 9" x 3" (~1000ci). If you felt extra froggy, you could add some extra mag/frag/misc pockets to the outside via PALS for differing scenarios. If you're just tooling around on the range, it'd be handy for holding med supplies, a 100oz bladder and range tools/supplies. I have one, and its really handy for that need falling between belt pouch and HAWG-sized assault pack. Ooo, or maybe you could do the Tailgunner thing, or maybe just the top hood bandolier from an EMR with a sling. Either of those could be on the sling, so you rotate it in front of you in your lap while you're in a vehicle, and you simply swing it around to your side or behind you when you get out. Check out these pics from Kifaru to give you a better idea of what I'm babbling about.

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Old 12-04-2004, 22:20   #7
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There is a fine line here, and it will vary with the individual, their tastes, and their requirements.

Basically, you have a point where you reach is the max size an individual is willing to voluntarily hump around 24/7.

That is why an aid bag or E&E bag might be in the trunk of a car instead of with the individual when he needs it.

If you want to hump a three day or an assault pack, there are plenty of options.

If all you want is a fanny pack, that is an option too.

I guess you need to make a list of everything you think you need to have, look at the carriers that would hold it, and either buy a configured carrier that you like, or purge your list till you can reconcile the two variables with something that holds your absolute necessities, but is not overly inconvenient. I suspect that might take some trial and error or wearing to determine.

IMHO, if you start getting up to the size of those bags, or adding rifle mags, you are beyond survival and into the E&E bag or assault pack load.

Just my .02, YMMV.

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Old 12-04-2004, 22:25   #8
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Ok, I got carried away and went to E&E under fire vice carrying a few survival items. How about Egg's FUGLY or HAFFAFUG? It can fit on a belt (albeit a big larger than some), has a couple compartments, and will carry most of what you mentioned, NDD.
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Old 12-04-2004, 22:44   #9
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The Reaper is reading my mind. We all, especially when riding in a crowded vehicle, have a tendency to dump the bags in the back. Most of us will remember to carry weapons and at least a couple of mags. Plus we all almost always have our pistols. Its the little things when you get out to open a gate or walk away to take a leak. I thought the HSGI sniper waist pack would do it and it still might.

I'm still thinking, the input is great. Keep 'em coming.
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Old 12-04-2004, 23:43   #10
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NDD,

What is your bare minimum of stuff you are thinking for this kit?

From your posts it seems like you want:

1. A real Signal Mirror
2. Some quick clot?
3. 2 trama bandages or those Isreali things (forgot there name sorry)?
4. Do you want a tourniquet?
5. Tape? Duct tape, Medical tape, or both?
6. 550 cord?
7. Lighter?
8. Surefire E2e or bigger?
9. Signal panel?
10. Leatherman?
11. mini compase?
12. Matches?
13. Fishing line?
14. Dental Floss?
15. Pistol mag (1)?
16. Radio?
17. Spare batteries for Radio.

I don't have the experience you do by anyway, shape, or form but this to me would be the bare ass minimum of what I would want.

I think you could actually get away with ditching the radio, Surefire, and signal panel. Because I'm thinking that you would already carry that stuff on your person anyway right?

Just my civi .02 cents
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Old 12-04-2004, 23:52   #11
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The quickclot and the Israelis are huge. Probably too big for this kit. Be nice if Quickclot would make a smaller package. I will go with regular GI field dressings for this one.


I carry a button compass in my wallet

I don't think a radio. That's first line.

I think everything else is in the Pocket or Wetsu kits. That's why I like them.
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Old 12-05-2004, 00:48   #12
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I don't want to take away anyones business...

But I have always used a SAW pouch...lots of room...cheap...and will clip on to web gear, ruck, or camel back...You can cram a lot into those things...

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Old 12-05-2004, 01:09   #13
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That'll NEVER do Chief. Much too practical.
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Old 12-05-2004, 01:10   #14
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One of the new Kifaru fanny packs might be the ticket.
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Old 12-05-2004, 06:29   #15
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Check out the fanny packs made by Doc Mike at CSM. I have one and it's the shit. Sounds like exactly what you're looking for.
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