Florida High School Shooting...Should we talk about it yet?

[Old Dog New Trick]

Originally Posted by Ret10Echo

Why is this so freaking complex?

Because they keep asking ignorant “educators” and unqualified (and ignorant) “police chiefs and legislators” to address a security risk (however unlikely and infinitesimal it may be) and the procedures to protect more ignorant children (speaking about the teenagers who live in fear of the next to zero chance they will ever be shot at in their entire lifetime).

I’m still hoping to sit down with the school superintendent and hopefully the school district police captain and discuss simple yet effective measures the school can take to detect, deter, and if necessary defeat an attack should one ever occur.

[Sohei]

A scared society finds it easier - and cheaper - to blame the "tool" for the crime rather than the murderers who are doing the deeds. School shootings happen way before the actual *firing* takes place. However, people refuse to call things - and people - as they are. They are too afraid to *offend* people's sensibilities.

School administrations tend to use the "We are broke" complaint when it comes to finding ways to keep the murderers out of their schools; however, they always seem to find funds for sports. That reveals their priorities.

If they seriously care about the safety of their students, they would support methods of keeping the killers out of their buildings rather than finding funds to pave their parking lots *again* and raising money for new uniforms. They simply aren't serious about the issue....

[PedOncoDoc]

Originally Posted by Agoge2

A scared society finds it easier - and cheaper - to blame the "tool" for the crime rather than the murderers who are doing the deeds. School shootings happen way before the actual *firing* takes place. However, people refuse to call things - and people - as they are. They are too afraid to *offend* people's sensibilities.

School administrations tend to use the "We are broke" complaint when it comes to finding ways to keep the murderers out of their schools; however, they always seem to find funds for sports. That reveals their priorities.

If they seriously care about the safety of their students, they would support methods of keeping the killers out of their buildings rather than finding funds to pave their parking lots *again* and raising money for new uniforms. They simply aren't serious about the issue....

And when one brings up having an armed presence and metal detectors, the gun control advocates jump up and down screaming that it's damaging to the children for schools to feel like prisons.

[Ret10Echo]

Originally Posted by PedOncoDoc

And when one brings up having an armed presence and metal detectors, the gun control advocates jump up and down screaming that it's damaging to the children for schools to feel like prisons.

Yes

The same F(&*(%s don't want to admit that they've "broken" America's youth with their spewage.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Originally Posted by PedOncoDoc

And when one brings up having an armed presence and metal detectors, the gun control advocates jump up and down screaming that it's damaging to the children for schools to feel like prisons.

Right next to the pledge of allegiance in every classroom should be a plaque that reads...

“Why do you call the police when a crazed gunman or jilted student starts shooting up your school and killing your friends? Because they have GUNS!”
Remember, the police are only minutes away when seconds count. With each pull of the killers trigger another one of your friends lay wounded, bleeding and dying. Also remember the Supreme Court has said the police do not have a legal obligation to risk their life in the protection of yours. No matter how insane or how much trouble your BFF will get in, if he, she or xe, says to you or posts on social media “I’m going to kill everyone!” maybe you should tell someone. In the mean time learn how to apply a tourniquet, always have 50% or more battery power on your phone and say this prayer...”I will not be a victim of random violence; if I can run I will run away, if I cannot run I will hide behind cover, not concealment but cover; if I cannot do either of those and if the situation is close and dire I will fight and die if necessary to prevent further loss of life!”

[PSM]

Check out A&E's Undercover High. Seven young-looking adults go undercover to see how high school has changed in the few years that they have been out. This takes place in Topeka, KS. I would not send my child to public school nowadays and I'd fight hard to get the government out of the education business.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Originally Posted by PSM

Check out A&E's Undercover High. Seven young-looking adults go undercover to see how high school has changed in the few years that they have been out. This takes place in Topeka, KS. I would not send my child to public school nowadays and I'd fight hard to get the government out of the education business.

aka 21 Jump Street

Drugs - check
Guns - check, check
Sex - check, check, check
Theft, cheating, plagiarism, rape, distribution of controlled substance and violence - just keep checking the box...

And that’s every day!

[PSM]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

aka 21 Jump Street

Drugs - check
Guns - check, check
Sex - check, check, check
Theft, cheating, plagiarism, rape, distribution of controlled substance and violence - just keep checking the box...

And that’s every day!

I told my wife that the best-behaved kids on that show would have been in detention at my high school. She grew up in Los Angeles and is 6 years younger than me. She said that she saw the beginnings of this in her high school.

[Badger52]

If people who advocate for gun control were any good at practical math, they'd have abandoned any notion of the feasibility of socialism years ago.

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

I’m still hoping to sit down with the school superintendent and hopefully the school district police captain and discuss simple yet effective measures the school can take to detect, deter, and if necessary defeat an attack should one ever occur.

I'll wager the Teacher's Local has the funds in their petty cash drawer in the name of, oh I don't know, prevention of workplace violence for their members? Maybe their union rep should have a seat at that table & get them on record as well. Just a thought.

[Hand]

Originally Posted by Ret10Echo

Two words
Textbook costs per year is something around $250 per student

That figure blows my mind. Having spent very close to that amount for a single required textbook for a single semester college course.

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

No matter how insane or how much trouble your BFF will get in, if he, she or xe, says to you or posts on social media “I’m going to kill everyone!” maybe you should tell someone.”

To what avail? How many mass shootings have been prevented due to investigations by local police or federal agents? Of course, we never hear about those from the main stream media, but there has to be some. On the other hand, every time a new shooting occurs, we hear almost the same hour from officials that the assailant/murderer/pussy was "known" to law enforcement.

[PSM]

Originally Posted by Hand

To what avail?

Exactly! The Cruz kid in Parkland called 911 on himself and no action was taken.

[Sohei]

Originally Posted by Hand

That figure blows my mind. Having spent very close to that amount for a single required textbook for a single semester college course.

To what avail? How many mass shootings have been prevented due to investigations by local police or federal agents? Of course, we never hear about those from the main stream media, but there has to be some. On the other hand, every time a new shooting occurs, we hear almost the same hour from officials that the assailant/murderer/pussy was "known" to law enforcement.

Originally Posted by PSM

Exactly! The Cruz kid in Parkland called 911 on himself and no action was taken.

It matters not that there are some that get through the cracks. You will never know about the two that were stopped by my son's department within two weeks of each other because *other* students informed on them during the planning phase for one of them and suspicious statements made by another on social media was investigated once learned of.

I don't quit getting the message out because the system failed in a couple of incidents. I think that society failed even more.....

[Old Dog New Trick]

Hand and PSM:

Do we give up because the system failed, and should we keep pounding that same square peg into the same round hole (resembling a toilet) to see change?

I don’t what happened to them now but shortly after Parkland two high school students and a middle school student made social media threats that were reported and the police swarmed their houses and arrested them. I’m sure the rest of their lives will be different and if they hated their public school they’ll probably like their alternative school even less. Practical joke or not no one was laughing.

[bblhead672]

Originally Posted by Hand

How many mass shootings have been prevented due to investigations by local police or federal agents? Of course, we never hear about those from the main stream media, but there has to be some. On the other hand, every time a new shooting occurs, we hear almost the same hour from officials that the assailant/murderer/pussy was "known" to law enforcement.

There was one recently in Dallas suburb where one of my nephews lives.

Plano Man Arrested for Soliciting Others to Assist Him in Committing an ISIS-Inspired Mass Shooting

(May 2, 2018) A 17-year-old Plano man has been arrested for criminal solicitation of capital murder and making a terroristic threat, announced Collin County District Attorney Greg Willis on behalf of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Frisco Police Department, and the Plano Police Department.

Matin Azizi-Yarand, a high school student, was arrested for making terroristic threats to carry out his plan of committing a mass shooting at a local mall and for soliciting other individuals to assist him in the mass shooting attack.

[Old Dog New Trick]

On another un-(or is it - un)related topic, summer is almost here for tens of thousands of high school students. Many of which will not return to school next year or make it to college or a first job. You see the number one killer of these kids is these kids and a car of course. You have heard of the “100 Days of Summer” yes? That is where on average 10 teenage kids will die each day in a car crash. Usually fueled by drinking, drug use or speed.

Check out this article from USA TODAY:

Summer means increased risk of dying in car crashes for teens

https://usat.ly/2IQdw8x

You would think that these youth leaders with their powerful messages on “not one more...” and “enough is enough” do something in Congress message would be protesting in the streets and “marching for our life” to stop under-aged drinking and driving, just say no to drugs, and no one needs 500-Horsepower engines.

Maybe they should go after the car manufacturers and corporations that donate millions and lobby Congress to allow them to keep making cars with the same inadequate safety and fuel ratings and emission standards as twenty years ago or longer.

Surely these kids would be happy with an electric smart car that can detect when they are impaired, or there are more kids in the car than seatbelts, or that the level of the drivers licensing limits allowed by the state for minors (under the age of 21) are being followed (e.g., no underage passengers, no driving between hours of darkness (only under special circumstances as to and from school or place of work), no use of cellular devices (handheld or otherwise), etc...) the car will not operate if it detects another device capable of sending or receiving cellular data and voice transmissions other than the data being collected and sent to parents or city planners by the cars onboard system. Also that these cars can only use SLR technology or GPS to govern speed...because we all know that these signs “Gun Free Zone” and “Drug Free Zone” have worked so well keeping both of those off school campuses.

This is it, until you are 21 years of age this is the only car you can own and drive. It comes with dealer installed options that place steel cages in the font and rear seats reducing the number of passengers allowed. A 5-Point retention seatbelt for each allowable seat space. Breathalyzer and Retina scan ignition technology. It uses only sign recognition technology to detect speed limits, parking restrictions, turn and u-turn restrictions and control lights and signs to move, stop or slow. In the absence of readable signs the vehicle is controlled by GPS and preset limits established by the city (e.g., when not posted the maximum legal speed limit is 25-MPH in the city limits.) The car must also emit an audible sound and visual lighting for deaf and blind persons that cannot be muffled, altered or silenced. No trailer hitch or other devices may be attached to the car to make it more useful or enjoyable. It can be had in any color as long as it is white and has “STUDENT DRIVER” in orange letters stenciled on the front and rear of the car with a visible warning triangle on the roof.

We are a nation of laws and when our laws are not followed horrible and unimaginable acts are sure to happen.

Enough, not one more child should die at the hands of another child! Not in our school parking lots and not on our highways and backroads.

Tell your Senators and Congressional members, your Governors, and your President that you demand action today before one more life is lost. Let’s stop the madness...people under 21 should not be able to buy Mustangs, Camaros, Challengers and minivans capable of holding more than one adult passenger.

People have privileges and we as a nation should adopt and adapt to the demands of our children for they know best and have the experience and leadership to show us the right way forward.