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Old 06-04-2019, 13:48   #1156
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Stand-by Virginians

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Its always good to see the media holding up their end of reporting "news"...

CNN's version of le truth:
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"I'm sure I'm going to hear all kinds of things about DeWayne, but I liked him," Scott told CNN.

Craddock turned in a letter of resignation via email Friday morning, the day of the shooting, Virginia Beach City Manager Dave Hansen said.
He was not forced to resign, Hansen added. He was in "good standing" and had no ongoing discipline issues, he said.
When his supervisor asked why he was resigning, Craddock told him he was quitting for "personal reasons," another colleague told CNN.
Scott said he worked with Craddock for several years. He doesn't want Craddock "painted as an evil person -- something happened, but it wasn't his nature," adding that he lost many friends Friday.
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The gunman who shot 12 people dead at a Virginia Beach municipal building had been facing disciplinary action for a violent fight at work, according to a report.

DeWayne Craddock, 40, was still employed as an engineer with the Department of Public Utilities when he went on his shooting rampage Friday, killing 12 and injuring several others, including a cop.

But he recently started showing serious behavioral problems and got into physical “scuffles” with other city workers, a source told the New York Times.

The source told the paper that the troubles had escalated in the week leading up to the mass shooting — and Craddock was involved in what it called “a violent altercation on city grounds.”

Craddock reportedly knew he was facing disciplinary action for the fight when he went into the municipal building with two .45-caliber handguns, at least one of which was equipped with a sound suppressor — and both of which were purchased legally.

Craddock killed 12 people, all but one co-workers, and injured several others before he died in a police shootout.
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Yet none of the other big media houses mention anything about possible issues at work before crabcock spontaneously killed a bunch of co-workers except for a very brief sentence in a New York Times Post:
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As the authorities on Sunday shared a more detailed accounting of the siege, they also acknowledged for the first time that the gunman’s employment had been nearing its end. But they said he had not been forced to resign.
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Strange coincidence the timing of this one...
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Old 06-04-2019, 14:49   #1157
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Its always good to see the media holding up their end of reporting "news"..

Strange coincidence the timing of this one...
Which supports the politician trying to deflect questions about his "liberalness". This provides an opportunity to demonstrate his mindless dedication to the hive.

Never pass up a good tragedy of the serfs to advance your personal agenda.
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Old 06-04-2019, 17:15   #1158
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Which supports the politician trying to deflect questions about his "liberalness". This provides an opportunity to demonstrate his mindless dedication to the hive.

Never pass up a good tragedy of the serfs to advance your personal agenda.

These are the laws Northam proposed:

Universal background checks
Child access prevention
One gun a month limits
Banning assault weapons, including bump stocks
Requirement to report lost or stolen guns
Allowing localities to ban guns from municipal buildings
Red flag laws


Pull the string....
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Old 06-04-2019, 17:58   #1159
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I look for integrity, ownership of consequences of action, moral equilibrium and compassion for others in the world around me. Somehow governments are undoing all our natural rights with a complete lack of knowledge of "common law".

There seems to be no avenue available other than to become fit and ready, aware and vigilant. To hone skills of knowing bush tucker, catching water and feeling comfortable in my skin. The fact that I may be considered offbeat or paranoid bothers me not.
I really feel that we are entering a time of survival of the fittest.

I am prepared.
So many haven't even defined their interpretation of "Fit", yet.
We don't have a second amendment but the weight behind the idea is irrefutable for any citizen in any country.:
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Old 06-04-2019, 20:54   #1160
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These are the laws Northam proposed:

Universal background checks
Child access prevention
One gun a month limits
Banning assault weapons, including bump stocks
Requirement to report lost or stolen guns
Allowing localities to ban guns from municipal buildings
Red flag laws
You forgot one:

"The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that's what the mother and the family desired." If we can save just one child. . .
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Old 06-05-2019, 08:03   #1161
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These are the laws Northam proposed:
Universal background checks - If I understand the intent of this, it is to make it a crime for one private citizen to sell another private citizen a firearm.

I agree with background checks and it appears that Virginia has a much stricter/thorough questionnaire than states I have inhabited. I am under the impression that it is already illegal to sell via a private transaction, a firearm to someone who can not legally own one. "Universal background checks" just seems to be the lingo that leaders are supposed to bandy about when talking about gun control.

Child access prevention - How can this be enforced? If what they want is "common sense gun control", then keeping your damn untrained children away from firearms seems pretty common sense to me.

One gun a month limits - This is silly. Is the mindset that crabwalk used 2 guns the motivation behind this?

Banning assault weapons, including bump stocks - I think this speaks to the real agenda. crabcock didn't even use an assault weapon, nor a bump stock. Hell, why not throw suppressors in there? Guess they cant miss out on any opportunity to turn a whole bunch of people into criminals.

Requirement to report lost or stolen guns - Back to the "common sense" thing. I dont know if I have read it or if its just "common sense" to me to do this anyway. Again, how are they going to enforce this? "if a weapon used to commit a crime is found to be registered to someone other than the criminal then the registered owner is somehow complicit in the crime if he has not reported it stolen"?

Allowing localities to ban guns from municipal buildings - Yeah this always works well. They are already prohibited from federal buildings, schools, airports, etc... Back to enforcement. The county courthouse in my city is the only building I'm aware of with metal detectors and armed officers frisking entrants. Funny that that is where all the judges and lawyers and mayors hang out all day

Red flag laws - this one is interesting, especially given the grey area (in the US) in which mental health issues and right to keep and bear arms co-exist.
I'm curious, again, how this can be legislated. To give close friends/family the power, so to speak, to report a gun owner as being unstable and therefore incapable of possessing firearms IMO would trigger first a sit down with a psychologist to determine the gun owners actual mental state, in general, under no specific pretense before the case is presented to a judge, where the culpability of the reporter as well as the psychologists findings can be weighed in the balance.
I would also think that the gun owner should have pre-scheduled re-evaluations at regular intervals with a psychologist who was unaware of WHY he was ascertaining the mental health of the gun owner, and that these reevaluations can be reviewed in a timely fashion, by an impartial judge for the possibility of reinstating the right of the gun owner to his weapons.

Or... Common sense from another direction. Make it a law that every citizen whom can demonstrate mental and physical ability to safely and proficiently operate a firearm, own and carry a firearm (when reasonable) at all times. -- In re-reading this last paragraph, I wonder if something like this would decrease crime and increase accidental shooting injuries/deaths and/or suicides...

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Old 06-05-2019, 17:33   #1162
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Old 06-06-2019, 09:13   #1163
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These are the laws Northam proposed:

Universal background checks
Child access prevention
One gun a month limits
Banning assault weapons, including bump stocks
Requirement to report lost or stolen guns
Allowing localities to ban guns from municipal buildings
Red flag laws


Pull the string....
Sorry governor, you still ain't getting them.
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Old 06-06-2019, 09:54   #1164
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If it's any consolation - not everyone is okay with fear mongering knee jerk reactions.

A friend of a friend was involved in the most recent incident in VB. Fortunately, he is alright. Unfortunately, some of his coworkers are not. You may have seen some of the footage he took online somewhere, if that gives you any idea to his proximity.

In light of the events, he recently took to social media to express his grief over the loss of life and presented a relevant solution - the removal of the current gun laws which prevented him or his coworkers from carrying at work and thus rendering themselves defenseless. He was asked if his views had changed given the event and he steadfastly responded negatively, if anything his conviction was only confirmed. It's a well thought out and articulated response - short and sweet. Unfortunately his privacy settings are set in a way it's not able to be shared, so there's no possibility of his message getting out and going viral.

This is just a 'regular guy', mind you. As far as I'm aware, no prior military or law enforcement experience - certainly no 'cool guy' stuff.
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Old 06-06-2019, 18:12   #1165
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This is just a 'regular guy', mind you. As far as I'm aware, no prior military or law enforcement experience - certainly no 'cool guy' stuff.
Fortunately none of that is a requisite for being a thinking human being who can acknowledge reality when it's in your face.

It's too bad that so many voices - I'm reasonably sure he's not alone - will not share that view because it's the opposite one that makes all the noise. Sanity is lost in the static because of insufficient volume.
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Old 06-07-2019, 09:48   #1166
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This is just a 'regular guy', mind you. As far as I'm aware, no prior military or law enforcement experience - certainly no 'cool guy' stuff.
Sadly these days, prior military or law enforcement experience will translate into thinking that firearms do not belong in the hands of civilians.

Your friend is a right thinker, he doesn't need LE or MIL experience for that. It's tragic that his government infringes upon his ability to defend himself from evil men.
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Old 08-09-2019, 13:03   #1167
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With all of the gyrations going on in reference to the Second Amendment.
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Old 08-09-2019, 13:54   #1168
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If one of the authors or signatories has not yet sent a copy of the original letter to Trump, Pence, McConnell and others - this might be a good time.
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Old 08-09-2019, 16:19   #1169
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Times have changed. I would recommend a revision. A more pity one at that.

Maybe something more along the lines of what the FPC put out but nuanced in our own special way.
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Old 08-09-2019, 19:31   #1170
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Times have changed. I would recommend a revision. A more pity one at that.

Maybe something more along the lines of what the FPC put out but nuanced in our own special way.
Completely agree. It hasn't taken long here for the subject of "red flag" laws to come up. In an almost "man bites dog" moment, even our new Dem governor has said he's not necessarily a fan because of the lack of due-process involved in the way they're done. It doesn't hurt that he's also aware of the battle involved in R's dominating both chambers of the legislature. But anecdotally I've heard, from many places in the state, that folks were actively engaging their reps when these things first started popping up in other states, and providing some not-to-subtle warnings about how that might fly when the notion of guilty until you prove yourself innocent is written into code.

The reps are well-aware - due to the aformentioned chirping - of the guy who's already dead after being ERPO-Swatted by a disgruntled ex in-law (or whatever she was) and decided, "No" and was shot for his trouble. It will not be the last when proceeding down that road. And, sadly, the current POTUS already ran his mouth on the topic, to wit: "Take the guns first, do due-process later."

So yeah, he could do with a copy of the letter, even updated. (Although I reserve my view, garnered over some decades, that attempts to legislate human behavior end up being filed under Fool's Errand.)
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