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Old 11-24-2019, 20:48   #31
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Old 11-24-2019, 20:54   #32
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This is what Secretary of the Navy Spencer decided to fall on his sword for... in such a public manner and his timing ? I’m sure he is a smart guy but I’m baffled at his perception, one might think the view from 30000’ would show our President and CINC in a the battle of his life fending off an unprecedented political attack fielded by insubordinate underlings, deep state players, rhinos, far left wackos and MSM...let alone the complexity of Navy operations across the board. I’ll bet there are better resources to tap into for that position in this day and time.
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Old 11-24-2019, 21:22   #33
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This is what Secretary of the Navy Spencer decided to fall on his sword for... in such a public manner and his timing ? I’m sure he is a smart guy but I’m baffled at his perception, one might think the view from 30000’ would show our President and CINC in a the battle of his life fending off an unprecedented political attack fielded by insubordinate underlings, deep state players, rhinos, far left wackos and MSM...let alone the complexity of Navy operations across the board. I’ll bet there are better resources to tap into for that position in this day and time.
I think we need to see where Spencer lands. This has all the hall marks of Spencer trying to set up Trump. I think another deep state anti Trumper just got his walking papers...

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A complaint filed Tuesday afternoon with the Defense Department’s Inspector General blasts Rear Adm. Collin Green as a scheming martinet willing to trash the reputations of bonafide SEAL combat heroes to preserve his precarious perch atop Naval Special Warfare.

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-...al-team-triad/
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Old 11-24-2019, 21:45   #34
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...and why WOULDN'T the Department of Water think there was anything wrong with thumbing their nose at the POTUS? The exalted Admiral McCraven posted two OpEds in the NYT that where borderline seditious. Following the example set by those that went before them.


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Old 11-25-2019, 04:25   #35
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This is what Secretary of the Navy Spencer decided to fall on his sword for... in such a public manner and his timing ? I’m sure he is a smart guy but I’m baffled at his perception, one might think the view from 30000’ would show our President and CINC in a the battle of his life fending off an unprecedented political attack fielded by insubordinate underlings, deep state players, rhinos, far left wackos and MSM...let alone the complexity of Navy operations across the board. I’ll bet there are better resources to tap into for that position in this day and time.
All these zeros, including Vindman, are betting that Trump isn't forever, and eventually things will get back to the norm. They are playing longball. I hope they are proven wrong, but . . .
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Old 11-25-2019, 08:47   #36
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Spencer had already told the POTUS that if the USS Ford wasn't ready on time, he could fire him.

This was not a stand-alone action. Spencer had a history of talking out of turn.

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Old 11-25-2019, 10:28   #37
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I am no fan of Eddie Gallagher. But he, an enlisted sailor no less, had the propensity to beat them at their own game with a stacked deck no less. By hiring a lawyer with deep ties to POTUS Trump and parading them plus his trophy wife on Fox and Friends at every turn, he stole the narrative and went from Eddie Gallagher, war criminal to Eddie Gallagher, heroic, misunderstood war fighter. This narrative played well with the Trump base. I would like to know if Gallagher's lawyer took this case pro bono. Anyway, Big Navy just could not let this one go and the Sec Navy fell hard on his sword.
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Old 11-25-2019, 13:08   #38
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I don't see how any Quiet Professional can celebrate this decision. How many insurgents were recruited because of this indiscriminate killing of local civilians, elders, woman and children ? It will be used as recruiting propaganda by the enemy and will put more coalition soldiers in danger. Defending a steroid addicted psychopath who was denounced by fellow SEALS operators, out of partisanry ... to 'own the libs' ?

Just because the lugenpresse is at war with the POTUS and half of the population doesn't mean everything Trump does is rightful or that everything reported by the MSM is necessarily wrong.

Maybe now Mr Gallagher can join other Trident pimps and supplement his pension with a book deal and a movie.
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Old 11-25-2019, 13:16   #39
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The scales of justice regarding things military got punted into the 3rd row of the peanut gallery a while back.

Give me a shake when Bo Bergdahl is imprisoned through proclamation.
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Old 11-25-2019, 21:14   #40
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I don't see how any Quiet Professional can celebrate this decision. How many insurgents were recruited because of this indiscriminate killing of local civilians, elders, woman and children ? It will be used as recruiting propaganda by the enemy and will put more coalition soldiers in danger. Defending a steroid addicted psychopath who was denounced by fellow SEALS operators, out of partisanry ... to 'own the libs' ?

Just because the lugenpresse is at war with the POTUS and half of the population doesn't mean everything Trump does is rightful or that everything reported by the MSM is necessarily wrong.

Maybe now Mr Gallagher can join other Trident pimps and supplement his pension with a book deal and a movie.
Hey Paul.. and Mods...

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St1650 (Paul): I have no love for SEALS. However, Paul, Do you have your green card yet? And yet you are calling out all QPs?

I am one that supports our President. I love it that we have appointees that are made to heel by our duly elected President.

You are? Your service to Canada? To the US? To US Special Operations?

Nevermind. I don't care.

So, have a nice day.
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Old 11-26-2019, 12:05   #41
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I don't see how any Quiet Professional can celebrate this decision. How many insurgents were recruited because of this indiscriminate killing of local civilians, elders, woman and children ? It will be used as recruiting propaganda by the enemy and will put more coalition soldiers in danger. Defending a steroid addicted psychopath who was denounced by fellow SEALS operators, out of partisanry ... to 'own the libs' ?
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Old 11-26-2019, 13:33   #42
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Always one to flaunt my blindly partisan, extremely hypocritical, wildly sarcastic, and overzealous cult-like support of the 45th President of the United States of America - I think it is time for another episode of "Hold My Beer"

I will commence with my sarcasm by simply providing a blindly partisan response to a recent post...

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I don't see how any Quiet Professional can celebrate this decision.
Celebrate ?
I am a Trump cultist - I celebrate everything. If you mean celebrate the SecDef putting the boots to the SecNav - oh yes. The mental masturbation over that image has been non-stop since it first hit the news.
If you mean the decision to tell senior leaders "enough is enough" when they continued to pursue a corrupt legal proceeding against a man that was jailed before he even went to trial - then subjected to prosecutorial misconduct - and then re-attacked after the POTUS intervened on his behalf.
...yes - I am celebrating the POTUS poking his finger into a bureaucrats chest and telling him to shut up and color.

Just like leftists celebrate everything that the Obama admin did from 2008-2016...
-Like the way they deliberately lied about the way an US Ambassador was tortured and murdered
-Like the way they publicly CELEBRATED their story that the attack was because of a video.
-Just like the way they celebrated when Obama released four senior leaders of the enemies command structure in exchange for a deserter that betrayed his country in combat.
-Just like the way that they celebrated when Obama commuted the sentence of a convicted soldier that committed one of the worst acts of espionage in US history.

Eddie Gallagher is a turd. He dishonored himself and the SOF community with his actions.
The suggestion that someone - anyone - is celebrating Eddie Gallagher and his behavior is childish at best.
...but - at the end of the day - Gallagher's alleged crimes were against enemies of the United States of America so - well - there it is
Enemies of the United States of America

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How many insurgents were recruited because of this indiscriminate killing of local civilians, elders, woman and children ? It will be used as recruiting propaganda by the enemy and will put more coalition soldiers in danger.
Not as many as Obama recruited when he:
-deliberately lied about the way an US Ambassador was tortured and murdered.
-released four senior leaders of the enemies command structure in exchange for a deserter that betrayed his country in combat
-praised the heroism of a deserter that betrayed his country in combat
-commuted the sentence of a convicted soldier that committed one of the worst acts of espionage in US history

Eddie Gallagher was ONLY found guilty of taking a picture with a corpse. Don't forget that part.
Even when it was outed that the prosecution had engaged in misconduct - even when they thought they had a smoking gun on him by talking about a parade of fellow SEALS operators - at the end of the day - Gallagher was only convicted of taking a picture with a corpse.
I'll play along though - lets say he really did capture an enemy and then stab him in his neck...
...now those that would do Americans harm have to wonder if they will be the next one to get a knife buried in the side of their neck. It doesn't really turn my stomach that our enemies might be afraid of a few of our less emotionally stable Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, and Airmen.
The idea that I am in danger because the enemy might be angry at an alleged stabbing - well - suffice to say I openly invite them to roll the dice and take their chances because we have plenty of Hell-Fires and 'Green-Tip' should they feel so inclined.


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Defending a steroid addicted psychopath who was denounced by fellow SEALS operators, out of partisanry ... to 'own the libs' ?
Interesting - I didn't know that steroid abuse and psychopathy were charges levied against him.
Faults and flaws for sure - but not really germane to the topic at hand - if steroid use and psychopathy were high water marks for long prison terms, we'd have very few pro athletes left and even fewer politicians.

As for him being denounced by fellow SEAL operators; 'denounced' carries no weight in a court of law. Material witnesses however carry the day. Unfortunately, the navy came up short on the whole "witness and evidence" angle required to convict this turd. When the Navy finally found their "smoking gun" - their smoking gun proudly took credit for everything Gallagher was being accused of.
Absent was the throng of protesting SEALs ready, waiting, willing - to testify against this steroid addicted psychopath who was denounced by fellow SEALS operators.
You would think that Mother Navy would weigh her options and stop the madness...
"Nevertheless, she persisted"


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Just because the lugenpresse is at war with the POTUS and half of the population doesn't mean everything Trump does is rightful or that everything reported by the MSM is necessarily wrong.
I'm confused - are you saying that a sitting President is wrong for exercising constitutional authority to grant executive clemency?
If you want to talk about blind partisanship in the same breath as presidential clemency of criminals then we are going to have a lot of fun in thins thread - I could go on forever.
...Republicans tend to pardon people that have been fucked over by the US government - Democrats tend to pardon convicted drug traffickers and those that would do Americans harm

Not to mention that MOST of what the media has reported in this case - is necessarily wrong purely because they willingly omit the whole truth.


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Maybe now Mr Gallagher can join other Trident pimps and supplement his pension with a book deal and a movie.
...you can BET on that. There WILL be a book in this guys future.
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Old 11-26-2019, 14:05   #43
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Well, there you go again! That about sums it up.

And let’s not confuse “Quiet Professionals” with “SEALs” the two are not inclusive. SEALs and Rangers maybe but, even a Ranger knows it’s stupid to take a selfie with a corpse and show all your buddies: who hate you!
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Old 11-26-2019, 14:18   #44
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Beyond well stated Box!


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Old 11-26-2019, 15:02   #45
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...you can BET on that. There WILL be a book in this guy's future.


and an academy award-winning movie with
George Clooney as CPO Gallagher
Amy Schumer as Gallagher's wife
Carrio Top as CiC
Robert De Nero as SECNAV
Directed by Michael Moore and Rob Reiner
Music and soundtrack by Cher



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