09-26-2017, 10:28
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2Lt Spenser Rapone, Commie Ring Knocker??
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09-26-2017, 11:21
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My question would use the Gunnery Sergeant Hartman approach:
Why is Private Pyle out of his bunk after lights out?!
Why is Private Pyle holding that weapon?!
Why aren't you stomping Private Pyle's guts out?!
...so in memory of Gunny Hartman:
Why is Captain Rapone still in uniform after graduation ?
Why is Captain Rapone holding that sign in his hat?
Why isn't the US Army publicly stomping Captain Rapones guts out?
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09-26-2017, 12:10
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GD Commie...just more free speech, I guess...things be getting more nuanced every day...
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09-26-2017, 12:16
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Communist sympathizer = Domestic enemy?
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09-26-2017, 12:35
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Is that guy prior service enlisted(I noticed the decorations)?
I can't think of a single prior enlisted soldier I know who went officer who didn't turn out to be an above averaged officer.
This fella seems to have below average observation skills.
Looking at it "glass half full", better he is blatantly open about it, than hiding it and leveraging opportunities to exploit his afield ideology as he rises up the food chain.
Not that a 2nd LTs opinions matter or are even worth sharing, I would enjoy hearing his ramblings about why he is so enamoured with the failed ideology his very peers destroyed a generation ago.
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09-26-2017, 12:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tonyz
GD Commie...just more free speech, I guess...things be getting more nuanced every day...
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Yes, because a football player taking a knee during the national anthem, which, by the way, is protected speech, is the exact same thing as a commissioned officer who swore an oath to the Constitution espousing views antithetical to the values of classical liberalism our country was founded on.
Are you sure that you're not also an authoritarian?
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09-26-2017, 12:44
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Are you sure that you're not also an authoritarian?
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Positive.
This leftist shit is just too in my face for my tastes.
I worked a lifetime in a thousand shades of gray environment - so I do get that the flag burners and other assholes have "the right" to argument.
I'm just clearly expressing my not so nuanced displeasure.
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09-26-2017, 12:45
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Originally Posted by tonyz
Positive.
This leftist shit is just too in my face for my tastes.
I worked a lifetime in a thousand shades of gray environment - so I do get that the flag burners and other assholes have "the right" to argument.
I'm just clearly expressing my not so nuanced displeasure.
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You can go ahead and remove the quotation remarks around "the right."
The issue has been settled.
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09-26-2017, 12:47
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You can go ahead and remove the quotation remarks around "the right."
The issue has been settled.
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Yup. Assholes can be assholes and the Supreme Court said it's ok.
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09-26-2017, 12:48
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Yup. Assholes can be assholes and the Supreme Court said it's ok.
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The first amendment wasn't put in place so we could all agree with each other.
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09-26-2017, 12:51
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The first amendment wasn't put in place so we could all agree with each other.
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I'm gonna go have a cigar.
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09-26-2017, 13:51
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The Supreme Court has also recognized that the government may prohibit some speech that may cause a breach of the peace or cause violence.
-Wearing pig-socks to antagonize the police while abusing your access to national TV exposure could be found within the confines of such breach.
-A military officer in uniform publishing such content in a public forum could find himself in an actionable position by posting his personal rantings.
That same illusion of unabridged freedom of speech must also include the content of the forum used to communicate.
Pig-socks at a party could hardly be considered a breach of peace
Pig-socks on national TV while refusing to stand during the national anthem...
opinions may vary
...a football stadium during a commercial event is NOT a public forum. Such an event is generally a non-public forum - the same reason you cant say "bomb" on an airplane.
Free speech is also something targeted at an individual.
This cadet was in uniform, in uniform violating standards by holding open his vest to display an unauthorized uniform garment, and in civilian clothes while conspicuously presenting his uniform on display. That means he is representing the US military and has no such freedom to speak his mind
So yes, the 1st amendment does a lot of things, but it is not a blank check.
colin crookeddick was wrong and so is this shitbird officer
These aren't just my opinions either, they are pulled from the Cornell Law School website.
free speech isn't all people think it is - it comes nicely packaged with certain degree of social responsibility
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09-26-2017, 14:18
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Got their attention..
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West Point responds to tweets of cadet with Che Guevara tee under uniform
By: Meghann Myers 18 minutes ago
The U.S. Military Academy released a statement Tuesday after a recent graduate posted photos of himself with pro-communist messages hidden under his uniform and cover while still a cadet.
The photos, posted by 2nd Lt. Spenser Rapone, show the then-cadet posing with a Che Guevara t-shirt under his uniform and “communism will win” written under his cover at his graduation from the academy in May.
"Second Lieutenant Rapone‘s actions in no way reflect the values of the U.S. Military Academy or the U.S. Army,” the statement from West Point said.
Rapone’s chain of command is aware of his posts and is “looking into the matter,” according to the West Point statement. The academy will assist Rapone’s leadership in their inquiry, the statement said.
http://www.armytimes.com/news/your-a...under-uniform/
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09-26-2017, 14:23
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The Supreme Court has also recognized that the government may prohibit some speech that may cause a breach of the peace or cause violence.
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I assume you refer to the legal doctrine of "fighting words" not being protected. This has typically been very narrowly applied. One can assume that if the court recognizes a right to protest military funerals (Snyder v. Phelps) and burn American flags (Texas v. Johnson), that the mere fact that such speech "may" cause a breach of the peace is not a sufficient reason to restrict it.
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09-26-2017, 14:42
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commie agitator
This guy does NOT deserve to wear the uniform another day IMHO.
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