03-29-2018, 10:20
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Sleep System
Thought I'd share a little snow time.
G1 Sleep System ( 8oz Primaloft, Gold w/breathable thermal reflective Liner zipped to a G1 Ground Pad). This has come in handy from Ak to wet Spring conditions. Drop it into a snow trench, attach additional liners for the sub zero conditions or stay dry in wet changing conditions. End users can insert the sleeping pad or pads of their choice into the ground pad to mitigate ground conduction heat loss, keep all in place and stay comfortable.
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03-29-2018, 10:34
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Do you have a link to those?
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03-29-2018, 12:31
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That looks like interesting kit.
Might enhance my hammock experience with little added weight.
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03-30-2018, 08:02
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Bblhead PM sent to you.
Tony, They have been used for hammocks as well as the G1 Shells. Most people seem to be using the ENO Hammocks which are very long...we have built a few Shells with a 10' length to cover as an overhead and give some Multicam to their setups. A couple of our shells can be rigged as hammocks, they are shorter to accommodate the modular nature of our system, more like the Jungle Hammocks of WWII and Vietnam where the taper happens largely in the rigging. This allows for a termination of the protective pieces in a shorter run saving weight.
We added the zipper connection for cold weather because at temps in the teens and lower any warmth built up inside your shelter of liner can be whisked away with convective heat loss ( wind ) quickly if untucked, the added benefit is a solid, flexible connection that one doesn't have to think much about when conditions are poor or in darkness. It also appeals to people who are more familiar with sleeping bags although the idea is that liners are your insulation and you can use them how you need not necessarily as a sleep situation ( shelter, tents, overhead protection in heat, vehicles, architecture, etc...) a group of end users all with 5'X8' pieces of insulation and or shells can do some interesting things.
The BTR was developed for NASA and is an aluminized polyprop. that has been pierced by percentages allowing for the wicking necessary for comfort, you would think it is plugged in at times as it reflects warmth back to the user. The originals had a bright orange interior but that got a lot of friction...if you look close there still is an orange area inside the ground pad so one can disassemble and turn it inside out for a 30"X 96" panel marker...plenty of loops for rigging that and the other pieces. The liners can be rigged as wraps for a more mobile protection.
This configuration is more akin to a bed roll made up of kit the end user can use in different ways.
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04-23-2018, 14:21
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An example of the different mission sets, on the opposite end of the spectrum the "CAG Bag". Weighing in at 15oz, 4'X5' insulated liner Multicam / Blackhole, sleeping stuff sack (pillow).
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04-23-2018, 14:34
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Thanks for sharing info Golf1.
I have an ENO hammock and an old jungle hammock.
Been slowly looking for lighter bivy type possibilities as my old GI sleep system gor-tex bivy is heavy by today’s standards.
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04-23-2018, 15:06
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Tony,
We may make a hammock quilt with shock corded ends and cord locks to explore insulating those types of hammocks ( you can always pug up the interior ends with something. I wanted to mention we use a sleeping pad inside our hammock, it spreads the forces out, makes it comfortable and we tuck our netting inside and underneath, this holds the netting well and enables egress on any side anytime.
Playing around with insulating a hammock although in the wrong weather ( Ice Storm), glad the trees were smaller on top of the mountain as the forest seem to crack all at once and limbs came crashing down. The challenge is making the quilt fit tight even when the end user is squirming around or you'll see failure.
Not finding the sleeping pad detail but it either fits inside just on top or is inserted into a sleeve sewn on the hammock...the pad should stay in place...if it doesn't fit well nylon slides around. Last image is a G1 Recon Shell H with a G1 Shell ( overhead ). It was a kit we did for awhile.
Yes the bivy system weighs in at aprox 13 lbs...our cold weather system weighs about half that.
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04-23-2018, 16:57
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Thanks for the detail Golf1.
It looks like you had some frosty nights to deal with.
The use of a hammock instead of the hard ground has saved my back.
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01-14-2019, 11:31
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G1 Solar Shell
Dialing in the G1 Solar Shell...50f-80f interior temps ( passive), reduced convective heat loss, insulated shelter, thermal reflective elements.
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01-14-2019, 20:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Golf1echo
Dialing in the G1 Solar Shell...50f-80f interior temps ( passive), reduced convective heat loss, insulated shelter, thermal reflective elements.
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That first pic could be a post card or commercial. Couple lights in the tree, a Corona, and a little 'O' Tannenbaum" in the background.
Good stuff.
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01-14-2019, 20:53
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Originally Posted by Badger52
That first pic could be a post card or commercial. Couple lights in the tree, a Corona, and a little 'O' Tannenbaum" in the background.
Good stuff.
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And yet he slept in the back of his Subaru when we went to WY for the 2017 eclipse.
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01-15-2019, 08:13
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The Solar Shell has been in the works for a while, getting the right components have been an ongoing effort. The concept is an active shelter vs a static shelter...powered by the Sun, Convective Movements, Temperature Differences, orientation, the End User, G1 Thermal Radiator, photovoltaics, etc... At aprox. 1 lbs it can be used in different ways but the idea is to harvest passive and active energies.
Badger Orion as it wains to the West this time of year has been a companion for a while now.
Pat, I didn't intend to but one look up through the sun roof indicated that the bed of the wagon was exactly where I should have slept... it turned out to be a little intense, I will not soon forget that Pole Mountain night sky. Very close to what I saw below...
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We slowly are creeping into the Outdoor Retail segment in Stores that are committed to supporting domestic/local manufacturers. There is a tendency to reject perceived military colors so we’ve blurred the line somewhat. Shown is a Multicam, Alpine/ light blue G1 Liner, we also make a florescent orange ( tangerine ) combo which originally was created for rescue/ panel marker functions. Interestingly it’s gained some traction in the boating segment.
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