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Old 04-23-2018, 10:15   #241
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I think the author is wrong about a few things. First the Civil War has already started. The assault from the Left on civil liberties, rights and freedoms have never been more evident than shortly after the 2016 election and the loss of their candidate. The student protests, the Antifa movement and the anti white peoples movement that culminated in Charlottesville are all examples of the progressive leftists assault on our collective rights and freedom.

The re-education camps already exist - they are and have been the schools and higher learning academic campuses across America. While it has been a long time coming (50-years) it has accelerated rapidly the last 20+ years. Reaching a breakneck pace under Barry.

The mass graves and genocide will not be an issue for the Left (or the far-right) it will happen all by itself - first in the inner cities then in the poor rural and desert communities through disease and violent crime. Eventually the wealthy suburbs will either have to defend in place or evacuate to hardened encampments run by whichever government agency you believe in most.

I strongly believe that the people who are strongest (most independent) and the kind of people on this board will hunker down in places (coast to coast and border to border) that support a sustainable simpler life in places that will be forgotten by the extreme powers and will emerge much later after the whole thing burns itself out.

The military and police if called upon will be too busy and overwhelmed just maintaining Marshal Law in big cities to go hunting small “rebel” groups who will undoubtedly rule the local landscape. They will tire quickly of having their asses handed to them and go back to keeping watch within the walls.

Again, JMO
But, but...the big and powerful US Military will mobilize and crush the rebel groups. At least that's what I read it seems like every day from some one on either the left or the right.
The left believes that just because the right has taken everything shoved down their throats so far without bloodshed, that rendering the 2A void by either political action, black robed tyrants or corporate policies will yield the same results.
What I haven't read is where anyone on the left is volunteering themselves or their sons and daughters to enforce their will upon the rest of the country. Most of them are talkers and typers, unwilling to actually embrace the required action, as evidenced by this comment I read elsewhere this morning:
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A very good friend of mine, a small business owner, had several marchers in a previous gun banning march stop in his shop to refresh themselves and celebrate. He engaged them in conversation regarding the march and their thoughts in what is to follow. They said total confiscation, nothing less. He asked what would be done with those that didn’t comply. They said “We’ll kill them.” He brought up that those that didn’t comply will have a say in that process. They paused for a moment and replied that they were “ just kidding.”
ODNT is right, we are in a civil war already. It just hasn't progressed (digressed?) from talk to action to response. I believe unless the left decides that it's not in their best long term heath interests to continue to push this will eventually go hot.

We need wise men like the founders to write a second Declaration of Independence to remind the left of the stakes involved for those who love liberty and freedom more than the "kings and princes" in DC and state capitals.
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Old 04-27-2018, 17:46   #242
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What we need is some patriots with deep pockets and a real commitment to recruit and pay for skilled individuals to actively go after the enemy. Data mine to expose every dirty secret, post every detail of their life on the internet, overt surveillance anytime they step out the door of their home, find any excuse plausible to sue them in court, etc.

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Old 04-27-2018, 19:44   #243
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What we need is some patriots with deep pockets and a real commitment to recruit and pay for skilled individuals to actively go after the enemy. Data mine to expose every dirty secret, post every detail of their life on the internet, overt surveillance anytime they step out the door of their home, find any excuse plausible to sue them in court, etc.

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Then feed the info to local cells of the 18th-century style "Committees of Safety."
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Old 04-27-2018, 22:17   #244
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What we need is some patriots with deep pockets and a real commitment to recruit and pay for skilled individuals to actively go after the enemy. Data mine to expose every dirty secret, post every detail of their life on the internet, overt surveillance anytime they step out the door of their home, find any excuse plausible to sue them in court, etc.

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You mean like the deep pockets that are on craigslist paying upwards of 500-900 perweek as a activist on behalf of LGBT or whatever other hot topic?

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Old 04-28-2018, 11:25   #245
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It would be interesting to see a website which proposed and discussed, in the event of a "hypothetical" hot civil war, a "hypothetical" ranked target list.

Two categories:
-Persons and organizations which needed to be neutralized during a hot conflict in the pursuit of victory.
-Persons and organizations which would need to be addressed post-conflict in the pursuit of justice and lasting peace.

If any targets felt threatened by such a list, they can rest easy knowing that there is not currently a hot civil war.
It's just hypothetical.
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Old 04-28-2018, 12:34   #246
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If any targets felt threatened by such a list, they can rest easy knowing that there is not currently a hot civil war.
It's just hypothetical.
New meaning to the word "triggered."
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That is exactly what I mean. If only there were individuals with the skills and knowledge to seek out susceptible (due to either money, ideology, coercion, or ego) individuals inside these left-wing groups, turn them, control them, and use them to weaken our adversaries. Or guys who could run "charities" and/or "outreach" programs that could help spread our line of thinking to the masses. Or guys that know how to craft & publicize our message while also spreading disinformation. I wonder if guys like that exist anywhere?

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The deep division has very thoughtful people considering the same question over and over.

The Obama’s and the Klinton’s weaponizing our FBI, IRS, DOJ, etc., etc., has done more damage than they could ever imagine. After all, if Klinton had won the presidency none of the divisive matters before the nation would most likely even be an issue. But, she lost...and the curtain has been pulled back to illuminate the corruption and filth that is DC and beyond. We need as much sunlight on the DC swamp as is reasonable in order to restore faith in institutions and dial these feelings and discussions down a bit.

Commentary: Are we on the verge of civil war?
Victor Davis Hanson
Chicago Tribune
9/21/18

Americans keep dividing into two hostile camps.

It seems the country is back to 1860 on the eve of the Civil War, rather than in 2018, during the greatest age of affluence, leisure and freedom in the history of civilization.

The ancient historian Thucydides called the civil discord that tore apart the fifth-century B.C. Greek city-states “stasis.” He saw stasis as a bitter civil war between the revolutionary masses and the traditionalist middle and upper classes.

Something like that ancient divide is now infecting every aspect of American life.

Americans increasingly are either proud of past U.S. traditions, ongoing reform and current American exceptionalism or they insist that the country was hopelessly flawed at its birth and must be radically reinvented to rectify its original sins.

No sphere of life is immune from the subsequent politicization: not movies, television, professional sports, late-night comedy or colleges. Even hurricanes are typically leveraged to advance political agendas.

What is causing America to turn differences into these bitter hatreds — and why now?

The internet and social media often descend into an electronic lynch mob. In a nanosecond, an insignificant local news story goes viral. Immediately hundreds of millions of people use it to drum up the evils or virtues of either progressivism or conservatism.

Anonymity is a force multiplier of these tensions. Fake online identities provide cover for ever-greater extremism — on the logic that no one is ever called to account for his or her words.

Speed is also the enemy of common sense and restraint. Millions of bloggers rush to be the first to post their take on a news event, without much worry about whether it soon becomes a “fake news” moment of unsubstantiated gossip and fiction.

Globalization has both enriched and impoverished — and also further divided — America. Those whose muscular labor could be outsourced abroad to less expensive, less regulated countries were liable to lose their jobs or find their wages slashed. They were written off as “losers.” Americans whose professional expertise profited from vast new world markets became even richer and preened as “winners.”

Geography — history’s intensifier of civil strife — further fueled the growing economic and cultural divide. Americans are increasingly self-selecting as red and blue states

Liberals gravitate to urban coastal-corridor communities of hip culture, progressive lifestyles and lots of government services.

Conservatives increasingly move to the lower-tax, smaller-government and more traditional heartland.

Lifestyles in San Francisco and Toledo are so different that it’s almost as if they’re two different planets.

Legal, diverse, meritocratic and measured immigration has always been America’s great strength. Assimilation, integration and intermarriage within the melting pot used to turn new arrivals into grateful Americans in a generation or two.

But when immigration is often illegal, not diverse and massive, then Balkanization follows. Currently, the country hosts 60 million non-natives — the largest number of immigrants in America's history.

Yet unlike in the past, America often does not ask new immigrants to learn English and assimilate as quickly as possible. Immigration is instead politicized. Newcomers are seen as potentially useful voting blocs.

Tribalism is the new American norm. Gender, sexual orientation, religion, race and ethnicity are now essential, not incidental, to who we are.

Americans scramble to divide into victimized blocs. Hyphenated and newly accented names serve as advertisements that particular groups have unique affiliations beyond their shared Americanism.

America is often the target of unrealistic criticism — as if it is suddenly toxic because it is not perfect. Few appreciate that the far worse alternatives abroad are rife with racism, sexism, civil strife, corruption and poverty unimaginable in the U.S.

The last few elections added to the growing abyss.

The old Democratic Party of John Kennedy and Bill Clinton is now trending into a radical democratic socialist party. Meanwhile, the old Republican Party is mostly gone, replaced by tea party movements and the new Donald Trump base.

Former President Barack Obama came into office from Congress with the most left-wing voting record in the Senate. Trump was elected as the first president without either prior military or political experience.

Obama issued dozens of controversial “pen and phone” executive orders, bypassing Congress. And Trump is systematically overturning them — doing so with similar executive orders.

Will America keep dividing and soon resort to open violence, as happened in 1861? Or will Americans reunite and bind up our wounds, as we did following the upheavals of the 1930s Great Depression or after the protests of the 1960s?

The answer lies within each of us.

Every day we will either treat each other as fellow Americans, with far more uniting than dividing us, or we will continue on the present path that eventually ends in something like a hate-filled Iraq, Rwanda or the Balkans.

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Victor Davis Hanson is a classicist and historian at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, and the author of the soon-to-be released “The Second World Wars: How the First Global Conflict Was Fought and Won,” to appear in October from Basic Books.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/o...919-story.html
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Old 09-21-2018, 12:14   #249
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The deep division has very thoughtful people considering the same question over and over.

The Obama’s and the Klinton’s weaponizing our FBI, IRS, DOJ, etc., etc., has done more damage than they could ever imagine. After all, if Klinton had won the presidency none of the divisive matters before the nation would most likely even be an issue. But, she lost...and the curtain has been pulled back to illuminate the corruption and filth that is DC and beyond. We need as much sunlight on the DC swamp as is reasonable in order to restore faith in institutions and dial these feelings and discussions down a bit.

Commentary: Are we on the verge of civil war?
Victor Davis Hanson
Chicago Tribune
9/21/18

Americans keep dividing into two hostile camps.

It seems the country is back to 1860 on the eve of the Civil War, rather than in 2018, during the greatest age of affluence, leisure and freedom in the history of civilization.

The ancient historian Thucydides called the civil discord that tore apart the fifth-century B.C. Greek city-states “stasis.” He saw stasis as a bitter civil war between the revolutionary masses and the traditionalist middle and upper classes.

Something like that ancient divide is now infecting every aspect of American life.

Americans increasingly are either proud of past U.S. traditions, ongoing reform and current American exceptionalism or they insist that the country was hopelessly flawed at its birth and must be radically reinvented to rectify its original sins.

No sphere of life is immune from the subsequent politicization: not movies, television, professional sports, late-night comedy or colleges. Even hurricanes are typically leveraged to advance political agendas.

What is causing America to turn differences into these bitter hatreds — and why now?

The internet and social media often descend into an electronic lynch mob. In a nanosecond, an insignificant local news story goes viral. Immediately hundreds of millions of people use it to drum up the evils or virtues of either progressivism or conservatism.

Anonymity is a force multiplier of these tensions. Fake online identities provide cover for ever-greater extremism — on the logic that no one is ever called to account for his or her words.

Speed is also the enemy of common sense and restraint. Millions of bloggers rush to be the first to post their take on a news event, without much worry about whether it soon becomes a “fake news” moment of unsubstantiated gossip and fiction.

Globalization has both enriched and impoverished — and also further divided — America. Those whose muscular labor could be outsourced abroad to less expensive, less regulated countries were liable to lose their jobs or find their wages slashed. They were written off as “losers.” Americans whose professional expertise profited from vast new world markets became even richer and preened as “winners.”

Geography — history’s intensifier of civil strife — further fueled the growing economic and cultural divide. Americans are increasingly self-selecting as red and blue states

Liberals gravitate to urban coastal-corridor communities of hip culture, progressive lifestyles and lots of government services.

Conservatives increasingly move to the lower-tax, smaller-government and more traditional heartland.

Lifestyles in San Francisco and Toledo are so different that it’s almost as if they’re two different planets.

Legal, diverse, meritocratic and measured immigration has always been America’s great strength. Assimilation, integration and intermarriage within the melting pot used to turn new arrivals into grateful Americans in a generation or two.

But when immigration is often illegal, not diverse and massive, then Balkanization follows. Currently, the country hosts 60 million non-natives — the largest number of immigrants in America's history.

Yet unlike in the past, America often does not ask new immigrants to learn English and assimilate as quickly as possible. Immigration is instead politicized. Newcomers are seen as potentially useful voting blocs.

Tribalism is the new American norm. Gender, sexual orientation, religion, race and ethnicity are now essential, not incidental, to who we are.

Americans scramble to divide into victimized blocs. Hyphenated and newly accented names serve as advertisements that particular groups have unique affiliations beyond their shared Americanism.

America is often the target of unrealistic criticism — as if it is suddenly toxic because it is not perfect. Few appreciate that the far worse alternatives abroad are rife with racism, sexism, civil strife, corruption and poverty unimaginable in the U.S.

The last few elections added to the growing abyss.

The old Democratic Party of John Kennedy and Bill Clinton is now trending into a radical democratic socialist party. Meanwhile, the old Republican Party is mostly gone, replaced by tea party movements and the new Donald Trump base.

Former President Barack Obama came into office from Congress with the most left-wing voting record in the Senate. Trump was elected as the first president without either prior military or political experience.

Obama issued dozens of controversial “pen and phone” executive orders, bypassing Congress. And Trump is systematically overturning them — doing so with similar executive orders.

Will America keep dividing and soon resort to open violence, as happened in 1861? Or will Americans reunite and bind up our wounds, as we did following the upheavals of the 1930s Great Depression or after the protests of the 1960s?

The answer lies within each of us.

Every day we will either treat each other as fellow Americans, with far more uniting than dividing us, or we will continue on the present path that eventually ends in something like a hate-filled Iraq, Rwanda or the Balkans.

Tribune Content Agency
Victor Davis Hanson is a classicist and historian at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, and the author of the soon-to-be released “The Second World Wars: How the First Global Conflict Was Fought and Won,” to appear in October from Basic Books.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/o...919-story.html
The communists on the left are not interested in compromise, being nice or retreating. They want the train to take the left fork and continue down the tracks toward the destroyed bridge that crosses the canyon of Rwanda times Bosnia.
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The communists on the left are not interested in compromise, being nice or retreating. They want the train to take the left fork and continue down the tracks toward the destroyed bridge that crosses the canyon of Rwanda times Bosnia.
Many are concerned that your assessment is correct.

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Many are concerned that your assessment is correct.

http://www.bamn.com

“By Any Means Necessary”

http://www.bamn.com/bamn-pledge-2
Father against son, brother against brother and so on. They do not comprehend what horrors "by any means necessary" actually means.
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Father against son, brother against brother and so on. They do not comprehend what horrors "by any means necessary" actually means.
It's all fun and games for these folks until the other side decides to reciprocate in kind and ups the ante a notch or so.
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It would be interesting to see a website which proposed and discussed, in the event of a "hypothetical" hot civil war, a "hypothetical" ranked target list.

Two categories:
-Persons and organizations which needed to be neutralized during a hot conflict in the pursuit of victory.
-Persons and organizations which would need to be addressed post-conflict in the pursuit of justice and lasting peace.

If any targets felt threatened by such a list, they can rest easy knowing that there is not currently a hot civil war.
It's just hypothetical.
Revisiting this, it should be searchable by drop down, to drill into a locality, where people build their local lists and feed it up from the bottom. Then let [potential] targets find out they're on the equivalent of the wrong list, just like when people find they're on some list at the Southern Poverty Lie Center.

Since it's clearly hypothetical, and pre-supposes a very big "IF"...
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The unfortunate problem is that too many people on the right have spent decades being compliant in the name of civility - there is NOTHING happening today that the left hasn't been doing at a steady state since the 1960's.

The illusion that 'compromise' with the left has ever produced civility has just now starting to fade.
If an extremist holds to the opinion that someone "isn't my president" then THAT person isn't just "part" of the problem - that person is the root of the problem.

I didn't like Clinton and I liked Obama even less - but they were BOTH 'my president' until they weren't...
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It's all fun and games for these folks until the other side decides to reciprocate in kind and ups the ante a notch or so.
Ask a Bosniac or a Serb.
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