04-22-2020, 12:49
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Based purely on the point that we are talking about "declarative sentences" I would opine that the ball does NOT cost five cents.
A declarative sentence stands on its own. Two different sentences do not automaticly conflate data unless expressly defined as part of the statement.
When a stand alone statement is, "The bat cost one dollar more than the ball."
My answer to the stand alone question, "How much does the ball cost?" could be answered two different ways....
What ball ?
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A dollar less than the bat.
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04-22-2020, 13:16
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04-23-2020, 05:49
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04-23-2020, 11:43
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Ah ffs! When was this question posited? 1868? When has a baseball ever cost .05? And a bat 1.05? YGTBFSM!!!
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04-23-2020, 12:10
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Originally Posted by miclo18d
Ah ffs! When was this question posited? 1868? When has a baseball ever cost .05? And a bat 1.05? YGTBFSM!!!
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Relax; the question wasn't referring to "that" ball at all.
In fact, I find it presumptive and biased that everyone automatically assumes that the original question was about the cost of a baseball and baseball bat in the context of American sporting goods.
Maybe the original question came from Wuhan China at supper time and they were asking about a ball of rice and some corona-meat?
Maybe it was referring to the sport of Cricket in the context of Victorian era England.
Wiffle-Ball equipment is pretty cheap - maybe the original question was about plastic toys.
There is even some remote possibility that we are talking about sporting goods needed to play a friendly game of Danish Longball.
The important thing to remember is, " How much does the ball cost?"
...I'm sticking with "What ball?"
I didnt even bother to get into the possibility that someone that was assigned female at birth may have written that question from the cis-gendered stereotypical perspective of a softball player.
who knows....
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04-23-2020, 12:16
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Democratic and liberal news pundits believe the President could have divided a $450,000,000 stimulus package amongst all Americans (330,000,000) and given each person $1.36 million dollars. Just ask Brian Williams and AOC.
Sometimes math is hard!
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04-23-2020, 16:18
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Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick
Democratic and liberal news pundits believe the President could have divided a $450,000,000 stimulus package amongst all Americans (330,000,000) and given each person $1.36 million dollars. Just ask Brian Williams and AOC.
Sometimes math is hard!
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So it's not just a Common Core thing?
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04-26-2020, 02:45
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It is possibly misleading to think of this problem as a mathematical one. Because the simple arithmetic is easily deducible, one's instinct is to focus on the arithmetic instead of the grammatical problem that underlies it. It is a matter of content versus structure.
As you indicated, a declarative statement is a grammatical structure. Its content is independent of its status as a declarative statement. Another term for it is a proposition. The content of this particular statement is about the bat and ball and the cost, but the basic structural relationship is equality to $1.10 by way of cost.
The second proposition, that the bat costs $1.00 more than the ball, is structurally a "greater than" statement. The content is bat, ball, and some notion of cost; but the structure is "greater than." Mathematically speaking, it makes sense to say that the ball only costs $0.10 or $0.05, but both of these responses are made with respect to the content of the proposition, not its structure. On the other hand, using a grammatical deduction, i.e., with reference only to the bat's "greater than" relation to the ball in the second proposition, we can only express the ball's cost as a "less than" relation to the bat. In other words, the ball costs $1.00 less than the bat.
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05-04-2020, 18:59
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Anthropoid, that was nicely done!
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05-04-2020, 22:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick
Democratic and liberal news pundits believe the President could have divided a $450,000,000 stimulus package amongst all Americans (330,000,000) and given each person $1.36 million dollars. Just ask Brian Williams and AOC.
Sometimes math is hard!
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It is but lets be fair the brain of a leftist struggles with complex math addition, subtraction, multiplication and division forget geometry or that crazy math with letters in it.....I mean moving the decimal point is Einstein level in their world plus there is a lot of zeros I mean holy crap.....Also keep in mind that math requires logic and precision and well we know how the left is when it comes to these things
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