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Old 02-03-2010, 09:45   #1
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France bars citizenship over veil

France bars citizenship over veil
The French government has refused to grant citizenship to a foreign national on the grounds that he forced his wife to wear the full Islamic veil.

The man, whose current nationality was not given, needed citizenship to settle in the country with his French wife.

But Immigration Minister Eric Besson said this was being refused because he was depriving his wife of the liberty to come and go with her face uncovered.

Last week, a parliamentary committee proposed a partial ban on full veils.

It also recommended that anyone showing visible signs of "radical religious practice" be refused residence permits and citizenship.

'Integration'

In a statement, Mr Besson said he had signed a decree on Tuesday rejecting a man's citizenship application after it emerged that he had ordered his wife to cover herself with a head-to-toe veil.


"It became apparent during the regulation investigation and the prior interview that this person was compelling his wife to wear the all-covering veil, depriving her of the freedom to come and go with her face uncovered, and rejected the principles of secularism and equality between men and women," he said.

Later, the minister stressed that French law required anyone seeking naturalisation to demonstrate their desire for integration.

Mr Besson's decree has now been sent to Prime Minister Francois Fillon for approval.

The interior ministry says only 1,900 women wear full veils in France, home to Europe's biggest Muslim minority.

In 2008, a French court denied citizenship to a Moroccan woman on the grounds that her "radical" practice of Islam was incompatible with French values.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/h...pe/8494860.stm

Published: 2010/02/03 04:38:02 GMT

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Old 03-14-2010, 09:34   #2
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Wow, someone has a back bone in France... I'm stunned.
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Old 03-14-2010, 09:47   #3
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It would be REALLY great if the United States did something like this...

I lived in Dearborn until I was 16, and am disillusioned with Islam. I am yet to see a single redeeming quality in it. It's funny how people who are from areas that are not primarily muslim feel justified in telling me that my experiences are wrong, even though I was the one that lived among them.

We better get resolve as a nation, and quick.
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Old 03-14-2010, 11:00   #4
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France has been moving to the right...

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Wow, someone has a back bone in France... I'm stunned.
Since 1995, when Jacques Chirac was elected, France has been moving towards more conservative government policies. Sarkozy continues the trend. We tend to remember 1960s France in the US than recognize the changes over the past 15 years.

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France is in the midst of transition from a well-to-do modern economy that has featured extensive government ownership and intervention to one that relies more on market mechanisms. The government has partially or fully privatized many large companies, banks, and insurers, and has ceded stakes in such leading firms as Air France, France Telecom, Renault, and Thales. It maintains a strong presence in some sectors, particularly power, public transport, and defense industries. With at least 75 million foreign tourists per year, France is the most visited country in the world and maintains the third largest income in the world from tourism. France's leaders remain committed to a capitalism in which they maintain social equity by means of laws, tax policies, and social spending that reduce income disparity and the impact of free markets on public health and welfare. France has weathered the global economic crisis better than most other big EU economies because of more resilient consumer and government spending, and lower exposure to the downturn in global demand. Nonetheless, France's real GDP contracted 2.1% in 2009, while the unemployment rate increased from 7.4% in 2008 to nearly 10%. In response to the economic crisis the government passed a $35 billion stimulus plan in February 2009 centered on investment in infrastructure and tax breaks for small businesses. Paris also created a $25 billion strategic investment fund to protect French companies from foreign takeovers, and President Nicolas SARKOZY proposed a $52 billion plan for strategic investments in science and technology. These various stimulus and investment measures are contributing to a deterioration of France's public finances. France's tax burden remains one of the highest in Europe - at nearly 50% of GDP. The government budget deficit rose sharply from 3.4% of GDP in 2008 to over 8% of GDP in 2009, topping the 3% euro-zone ceiling in both years. SARKOZY is expected to seek passage of some structural reforms - notably to the pension system and government bureaucracy - which have the potential to cut public expenditures, while he may delay additional, more costly, reforms.
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Old 03-14-2010, 11:01   #5
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I'm amazed that France, out of all the other potential countries, would be pushing this. Good for them! Are folks waking up? I guess time will tell.
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Old 03-14-2010, 11:43   #6
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It would be REALLY great if the United States did something like this...

I lived in Dearborn until I was 16, and am disillusioned with Islam. I am yet to see a single redeeming quality in it. It's funny how people who are from areas that are not primarily muslim feel justified in telling me that my experiences are wrong, even though I was the one that lived among them.

We better get resolve as a nation, and quick.
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Old 07-14-2010, 02:18   #7
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10611398

French MPs vote to ban Islamic full veil in public

13 July 2010
France's lower house of parliament has overwhelmingly approved a bill that would ban wearing the Islamic full veil in public.

There were 335 votes for the bill and only one against in the 557-seat National Assembly.

It must now be ratified by the Senate in September to become law.

The ban has strong public support but critics point out that only a tiny minority of French Muslims wear the full veil.

Many of the opposition Socialists, who originally wanted the ban limited only to public buildings, abstained from voting after coming under pressure from feminist supporters of the bill.

President Nicolas Sarkozy has backed the ban as part of a wider debate on French identity but critics say the government is pandering to far-right voters....
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Old 09-17-2010, 08:55   #8
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Veil ban passes French Senate

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100914/...dding_the_veil

If this goes through and is enforced, I wonder if Drider will be fined $185, or if her husband will be fined $38,400, or both.
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Old 09-17-2010, 14:17   #9
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Wow, someone has a back bone in France... I'm stunned.
Backbone and common sense. Both are in short supply here.
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Old 09-17-2010, 14:18   #10
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Wow, someone has a back bone in France... I'm stunned.
I'm not...their language and culture, they'll defend...their borders...not so much...
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