Should Police Use of Drones Be Allowed?

[Sigaba]

MOO, TS's posts in this thread are the Omega to NDD's Alpha offered many years ago <<LINK>>.

If anyone wants to see what the consequences of turning even more of America into a police state, go to the 'hood. Among law abiding residents, you will sense profound ambivalence--if not outright cynicism--over the level of service provided by LEOs with high tech gear. (And for the argument that profiling isn't that big of a deal, what will be said when the data from the drone says someone who looks "just like you" did something?)

Some LEOs and politicians want to equate law enforcement with warfare. Yet, members of this group seem to disregard the possibility that professionalism and boots on the ground are more important than eyes in the sky.

[Pete]

EXCLUSIVE: Drones vulnerable to terrorist hijacking, researchers say

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/...#ixzz1yp6scWnM

"A small surveillance drone flies over an Austin stadium, diligently following a series of GPS waypoints that have been programmed into its flight computer. By all appearances, the mission is routine.

Suddenly, the drone veers dramatically off course, careering eastward from its intended flight path..................... "

Never say Never......

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by Pete

EXCLUSIVE: Drones vulnerable to terrorist hijacking, researchers say

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/...#ixzz1yp6scWnM

"A small surveillance drone flies over an Austin stadium, diligently following a series of GPS waypoints that have been programmed into its flight computer. By all appearances, the mission is routine.

Suddenly, the drone veers dramatically off course, careering eastward from its intended flight path..................... "

Never say Never......

If and when the drones are flying all over the US I don't think that the Department of Homeland Security will have to worry about "terrorists" hijacking them.

The Department of Homeland Security says: Let's trade freedom for security.

A nation of sheeple.

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

MOO, TS's posts in this thread are the Omega to NDD's Alpha offered many years ago <<LINK>>.

If anyone wants to see what the consequences of turning even more of America into a police state, go to the 'hood. Among law abiding residents, you will sense profound ambivalence--if not outright cynicism--over the level of service provided by LEOs with high tech gear. (And for the argument that profiling isn't that big of a deal, what will be said when the data from the drone says someone who looks "just like you" did something?^)

Some LEOs and politicians want to equate law enforcement with warfare. Yet, members of this group seem to disregard the possibility that professionalism and boots on the ground are more important than eyes in the sky.

The more the profiling issue comes full circle, the more I find myself seeing your point and agreeing with you.

[MR2]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

If and when the drones are flying all over the US I don't think that the Department of Homeland Security will have to worry about "terrorists" hijacking them.

Texas college hacks government drone

There are a lot of cool things you can do with $1,000, but scientists at an Austin, Texas college have come across one that is often overlooked: for less than a grand, how’d you like to hijack a US government drone?

A group of researchers led by Professor Todd Humphreys from the University of Texas at Austin Radionavigation Laboratory recently succeeded in raising the eyebrows of the US government. With just around $1,000 in parts, Humphreys’ team took control of an unmanned aerial vehicle operated by the US Department of Homeland Security.

Humphrey tells Fox News that for a few hundreds dollar his team was able to “spoof” the GPS system on board the DHS drone, a technique that involves mimicking the actual signals sent to the global positioning device and then eventually tricking the target into following a new set of commands. And, for just $1,000, Humphreys says the spoofer his team assembled was the most advanced one ever built.

“Spoofing a GPS receiver on a UAV is just another way of hijacking a plane,” Humphreys tells Fox. The real danger here, however, is that the government is currently considering plans that will allow local law enforcement agencies and other organizations from coast-to-coast to control drones of their own in America’s airspace.

“In five or ten years you have 30,000 drones in the airspace,” he tells Fox News. “Each one of these could be a potential missile used against us.”

Domestic drones are already being used by the DHS and other governmental agencies, and several small-time law enforcement groups have accumulated UAVs of their own as they await clearance from the Federal Aviation Administration. Indeed, by 2020 there expects to betens of thousands of drones diving and dipping through US airspace. With that futuristic reality only a few years away, Humphreys’ experiment suggests that the FAA may have their work cut out for them if they think it’s as easy as just approving domestic use anytime soon. After all, reports Newser, domestic drones are likely to use the same unencrypted GPS signals provided to civilians, allowing seemingly anyone with $1,000 and the right research to hack into the system and harness a UAV for their own personal use.

“What if you could take down one of these drones delivering FedEx packages and use that as your missile?” Humphreys asks. “That’s the same mentality the 9-11 attackers had,”

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by MR2

There are a lot of cool things you can do with $1,000, but scientists at an Austin, Texas college have come across one that is often overlooked: for less than a grand, how’d you like to hijack a US government drone?

The state fusion cells will certainly be all over this.

[Mack27]

Here's a link to a US News article about possible police use of drones in VA. Since I live in VA, I'm not too excited about this happening. You give them an inch they'll take a foot, and the drones will be used for things outside their original scope of use.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/...mber_144620346

[Paslode]

Only 15% ‘Not At All Concerned’ About Drones Invading Privacy
By Terence P. Jeffrey
September 19, 2012


(CNSNews.com) - A poll conducted by Monmouth University and cited in a Government Accountability Office report published yesterday indicates that only 15 percent of Americans say they are “not at all concerned” that the use of drones by law enforcement will invade their privacy.

At the same time, 67 percent say they are opposed to police using drones to issue speeding tickets.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/only...vading-privacy

[Paslode]

Calling John Connor!

Miles Bennett Dyson, Cyberdyne Systems and Skynet coming to fruition....

“Before they were blind, deaf and dumb,” Mark Maybury, chief scientist for the U.S. Air Force, told AFP. “Now we’re beginning to make them to see, hear and sense.”

“It is not my belief that an unmanned system will be able to be perfectly ethical in the battlefield, but I am convinced that they can perform more ethically than human soldiers are capable of,” Arkin told AFP.

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/...an-assistance/

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by Badger52

The state fusion cells will certainly be all over this.

Speaking of fusion centers...warning...thread drift...our hard earned tax dollars at work.

Copy of a very recent report below.

FEDERAL SUPPORT FOR AND INVOLVEMENT IN STATE AND LOCAL FUSION CENTERS
MAJORITY AND MINORITY STAFF REPORT
PERMANENT SUBCOMMITTEE ON INVESTIGATIONS
UNITED STATES SENATE

October 3, 2012.

Excerpt:

"The Subcommittee investigation found that the fusion centers often produced irrelevant, useless or inappropriate intelligence reporting to DHS, and many produced no intelligence reporting whatsoever."

http://www.hsgac.senate.gov/download...b-d6e7d97dde04

[MR2]

Originally Posted by PSM

After Animal Activists Track Pigeon Hunt With Drone, Pigeon Hunters Shoot Down Drone We're getting ready.

Pat

Here we go again...

Flying Camera From Animal Rights Group Shot Down at Pigeon Shoot

[Dozer523]

Originally Posted by MR2

Here we go again...

Flying Camera From Animal Rights Group Shot Down at Pigeon Shoot

You. Yeah, YOU! With the sh!t-eating grin. Firearm Safety Refresher Course next Saturday. All damn day! BBQ after. (We're buyin'!)