3 Week SFAS vs 2 week SFAS

WildCatFootball · 09-13-2015, 16:28

I have studied things on Special Forces for a long time but I cannot join because I am too short. I always think of when SFAS was two weeks long instead of today is three weeks long. I wonder how many SF soldiers today would never have made the third week yet they make great SF soldiers today and how many 'would be' SF soldiers failed the current third week but would have been selected if it were only two. I just read a book called Outliers and it explains how it's not so much ability as it is opportunity, meaning if you took non-selects and give them a chance at the Q anyway, some of them would succeed and go on to be great SF soldiers. This is reflected in cases such as minority students who have lower GPA standards for Law and Medical school acceptance, who despite being less qualified initially, have statistically the same amount of observable success as any other doctor/lawyer. I just think it's interesting.

**Pete** · 09-13-2015, 16:32

You meet the standards at the time you go - or you don't. Simple as that.

twistedsquid · 09-13-2015, 16:56

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Originally Posted by Pete

You meet the standards at the time you go - or you don't. Simple as that.

Brilliant.

**Joker** · 09-13-2015, 17:41

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Originally Posted by WildCatFootball

I have studied things on Special Forces for a long time but I cannot join because I am too short. I always think of when SFAS was two weeks long instead of today is three weeks long. I wonder how many SF soldiers today would never have made the third week yet they make great SF soldiers today and how many 'would be' SF soldiers failed the current third week but would have been selected if it were only two. I just read a book called Outliers and it explains how it's not so much ability as it is opportunity, meaning if you took non-selects and give them a chance at the Q anyway, some of them would succeed and go on to be great SF soldiers. This is reflected in cases such as minority students who have lower GPA standards for Law and Medical school acceptance, who despite being less qualified initially, have statistically the same amount of observable success as any other doctor/lawyer. I just think it's interesting.

Stop grasping at things you cannot get or understand.

That book has nothing to do with SF training. And your theory is full of crap. It is about ability, how you seize the opportunity is a small part of it. Many of us here went through, and graduated, before there was SFAS and we experienced around the same attrition/graduation rates as today (maybe even harder). As a matter of fact, several of us have had several gut-check schools and did well. Some here even designed the first SFAS and perfected the SFAS of today.

JJ_BPK · 09-13-2015, 17:53

A lot of the SF education was OJT, for the first 30 yrs or so. Even MOS specific education, was based on the teachings of those that preceded you.

The toys have changed,
but not the Men..

Mike792 · 09-13-2015, 18:50

Excellent.

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Originally Posted by Pete

You meet the standards at the time you go - or you don't. Simple as that.

**Box** · 09-13-2015, 19:36

I'd venture to say that most of the folks that wash out would wash out if it was only a week long...

1stindoor · 09-14-2015, 06:02

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Originally Posted by Billy L-bach

I'd venture to say that most of the folks that wash out would wash out if it was only a week long...

That's the simple truth right there.

blue02hd · 09-14-2015, 07:13

With posts like this, I would not consider your height your main problem wrt passing SFAS.

So, before you post again demonstrate your ability to follow instructions by filling out your profile as you were instructed to when you joined this site.

**Team Sergeant** · 09-14-2015, 08:54

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Originally Posted by Joker

Stop grasping at things you cannot get or understand.

Some here even designed the first SFAS and perfected the SFAS of today.

And some of us never went to SFAS and were thrown straight into hell............

JJ_BPK · 09-14-2015, 08:57

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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

And some of us never went to SFAS and were thrown straight into hell............

And the Devil said
"Team Sergeant, you may leave at any time,, Please"

**Team Sergeant** · 09-14-2015, 08:59

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Originally Posted by JJ_BPK

And the Devil said
"Team Sergeant, you may leave at any time,, Please"

LOL, when I went through the cadre told us if we quit there was donuts and coffee waiting for us. They were not kidding.

I went through the last easy course, MAJ (COL) Howard was there and in charge.

mark46th · 09-14-2015, 12:57

Richard and I couldn't quit, we were frozen to trees. By the time we thawed out, we were already on another ruck march...

MK262MOD1 · 09-14-2015, 16:26

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Originally Posted by JJ_BPK

A lot of the SF education was OJT, for the first 30 yrs or so. Even MOS specific education, was based on the teachings of those that preceded you.

The toys have changed,
but not the Men..

I keep seeing this photo. Makes me smile.

TFA303 · 09-15-2015, 08:46

Friend, I'm getting to the point in life where I regret opportunities lost more than mistakes made, and from that perspective, let me give you some advice.

Take pride in what you have done, forget the excuses, and use the time you have to do more things you can be proud of; don't try to tear down what other men have accomplished because you didn't, no matter what the reason.

Believe me, it's the only way you're going to be able to live with yourself and be worth a damn for the rest of your life.