04-04-2013, 15:31
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Like I said, I never humped a mtn. ruck, but I do have a couple. One with a frame, one without that's marked "Avery 1942." Funny how I got these. When we were forming our SFA chapter here the was ONE former First Special Service Force guy in the state. I thought it'd be great to get him in the chapter. I went to see him and he declined due to health and time constraints. He did, however, give me a PILE of stuff, the rucks, several reversal-able parkas in various patterns, a handful of Ulster mountain pocketknives in different patterns, several patches, including an Italian made one, jump wings, etc. It seems he finished the war as a supply guy....somethings never change. It's rainy here in the sunny South today. But if it clears up as predicted, I 'll post some pictures tomorrow, if there is any interest.
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04-04-2013, 15:39
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Originally Posted by Richard
Canvas. One thing about them, once you spilled 'nam pla' in them, you'd never get that smell out.
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That's true, but then the water buffalo thought you were a local and didn't stomp you into the ground...
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04-04-2013, 18:42
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That's true, but then the water buffalo thought you were a local and didn't stomp you into the ground...
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And that's why I always carried the spicy, jerky'd pork from the village! Plus the red pepper spices changed the chemistry of our sweat and helped keep the insects at bay!
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04-07-2013, 18:07
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Many thanks to all who responded. This has exceeded my expectations by far. I am pleased to be able to hear the various opinions and experiences of those who commented. If I am understanding the gist of the comments thus far, the biggest problem with the sack is the lack of internal dividers or pockets. If you were going to design an "ideal" ruck sack bag, what features would be desired? One that comes to mind is to place a large radio pocket in the back side of the bag, as in the ALICE pack. Also, the exterior pockets and attachment points/straps; can their arrangement be improved?
As regards the frame and straps; it would seem that using a wider, padded set of shoulder straps and a real waist belt as opposed to the original parts would probably solve that part of the equation. The frame is another matter. Its compound curves require an extensive (expensive) effort to make. Thoughts and opinions on how to improve the fit and function?
Any and all opinions and thoughts on potential improvements would be appreciated. Again, Thank You all.
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Last edited by sgtrock; 04-07-2013 at 18:11.
Reason: PS: Thanks to Richard for the reminder on the pack frame/backboard approach.
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04-07-2013, 18:29
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Mn ruck
The frame was the only good part of the Mtn ruck, instead of a straight bottom as on the Alice, it curved a bit, though it needed a mesh pad as on the jungle ruck, the radio pouch is spot on, and a pouch on the top cover. a 1000 denier bottom to stiffen the bottom and to give it stand up stability would be nice. and a antenna tie down on the of the top cover.
The whole molle interlace thing is a pain in the butt, a two one ratio is all the should be needed, but had a bungh of two parallel straps for quick attachment.
just ideas
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04-21-2013, 02:23
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Many thanks to all who responded. This has exceeded my expectations by far. I am pleased to be able to hear the various opinions and experiences of those who commented. If I am understanding the gist of the comments thus far, the biggest problem with the sack is the lack of internal dividers or pockets. If you were going to design an "ideal" ruck sack bag, what features would be desired? One that comes to mind is to place a large radio pocket in the back side of the bag, as in the ALICE pack. Also, the exterior pockets and attachment points/straps; can their arrangement be improved?
As regards the frame and straps; it would seem that using a wider, padded set of shoulder straps and a real waist belt as opposed to the original parts would probably solve that part of the equation. The frame is another matter. Its compound curves require an extensive (expensive) effort to make. Thoughts and opinions on how to improve the fit and function?
Any and all opinions and thoughts on potential improvements would be appreciated. Again, Thank You all.
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I love my modified ALICE pack. with 2 x Claymore pouches, 2 small pouches, and 2 medium pouches, and a zipper extension on the bottom for sleeping bag access.
If I need to carry more, I add the old LOWA ruck top to it and move out smartly.
People always cut off the waist band for the ALICE. Very applicable and needed when you are skiing.
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04-23-2013, 08:47
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Agreed, they have no organizational ability. Everything is in the "bag". What ever you want,, it's on the bottom, so dump it all out and start over..
They were not comfy either. If your hips did match the frame, you started out sore and the suck only got better..
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Large Alice without the extra outside pockets, pretty much the same organizational capability which approaches zero, agree with JJ, if you need it, it's at the bottom... at least the large alice had the belt.
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06-12-2013, 15:14
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I had a mtn ruck and a NOS mint extra frame. I donated them to the WWII musem at Camp Blanding FL (they really needed them!).
I have nothing good to say about the mtn ruck except kudos to the poor guys who had to use them!
My ruck of choice is a highly modded ALICE large. Took it to Iraq on my deployments in place of the MOLLE ruck. First used an ALICE in 1972 (yeh, I'm old!).
I'm on my summer Reserve duty with SOCOM. My ALICE is in my van - I never leave home without it.
Willie at General Jackson's and Tactical Tailoring did all the mods to it.
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06-12-2013, 17:52
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My ALICE is in my van - I never leave home without it.
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What! No pictures?
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06-12-2013, 21:00
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What! No pictures?
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I'll see what I can do.
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09-19-2013, 21:28
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WWII Rucksack
While reading the posts, my back began to ache remembering my use of that item. I gave it away several years ago and my ALICE rig as well. I am too old to run anymore. I must stand and fight. Look for me under the pile of hot brass and don't bring back that old rucksack!
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09-19-2013, 21:56
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While reading the posts, my back began to ache remembering my use of that item. I gave it away several years ago and my ALICE rig as well. I am too old to run anymore. I must stand and fight. Look for me under the pile of hot brass and don't bring back that old rucksack!
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Hey PM, welcome!
Don't forget to stop by the introductions page and tell us a little bit about yourself.
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09-20-2013, 08:07
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While reading the posts, my back began to ache remembering my use of that item. I gave it away several years ago and my ALICE rig as well. I am too old to run anymore. I must stand and fight. Look for me under the pile of hot brass and don't bring back that old rucksack!
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That's good stuff.
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