03-16-2006, 21:47
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When it comes to his women, I despair!
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spoken like a mom... 
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03-16-2006, 21:53
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Haha I know. But actually I understand how he gets when he's at home... he just wants major stress relief and, despite the problems I get from them, I'm glad these women provide that relief.
Bed-time for me. Nice chatting to you all... once you'd got over your cynicism ---> Terry!
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03-16-2006, 22:08
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Bed-time for me. Nice chatting to you all... once you'd got over your cynicism ---> Terry!
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You got me there, Mum!
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03-16-2006, 22:13
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Mr Reaper
The 'slow flying jet' part sounds about right. It wasn't a chopper because he said plane but he was disappointed that it wasn't a fast jet, so it was clearly something in between.
Would this A10 have the capability of this kind of extraction? I don't know if the blokes are usually winched up or if they just hang on and then drop off. He often seems to jump (parachute-less although he's airbourne too) from some great heights. Do you think they would be winched up routinely in which case the A10 would need to have a suitable hatch underneath? If there are any SF pilots out there, couldn't you ask around to see who did this extraction this week? I would really like to personally thank them.
I know a bit about British planes because I used to work in Gibraltar which had the RAF based out there but I'm an idiot when it comes to anyone else's airforces.
Talking of jumping from great heights, during his recent leave he jumped from a girl's 2nd floor window the next morning as her parents were waking up. He apparently left two very large heel marks in the lawn. He's a bit of a naughty boy with the girls!
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What you describe is very puzzling and perhaps...just perhaps...there are some wires crossed in the message. I am involved in US Air Forces...specifically Special Operations aircraft, with 30 years experience and a Master's degree in Aeronautical Science. Please riddle me this Mum; if a fixed wing aircraft such as the A-10 picked someone up via a cable supended by a balloon, and somehow gets winched up under the aircraft...just how will the aircraft land without killing the suspended individual? An A-10 does not "hover" to let people off...instead it lands at about 80-100 MPH depending on how heavy it is. To keep from becoming "runway Pizza, just how would soemone keep from getting dragged on the runway by a cable? Does he hang onto the pylon/bomb rack? Does he climb over the wing and hang on for dear life like a 1920s "barnstormer? What about multiple personnel like you described..the plane only has one seat...and it's under glass ...and occupied by the Pilot. No room for passengers now is there.
I don't think they would parachute to safety once out of harms way either since a parachute would likely be more a a hazard than an asset. If the parachute would open when being "towed" the aircraft would experience control problems and the person being extracted would likely be ripped in two. I'm not sure what sort of "hatch" underneath an A-10 would do either, the A-10 can not fly without the weight of the gun as ballast and even if it could, there's not room for one person in the gun bay let alone three. The only American I know who has ever attemped such a feat is Bill Braxley...have you heard of him 'cross the pond?
What you describe seems more like a helo emergency extraction...cable, but no balloon.
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03-16-2006, 22:39
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This thread reminded me of something. A week or so ago I was watching an old WWII movie and saw a recovery of a Waco type Glider by a C-47, done much like the recovery method in "Green Berets". I was surprised to see the method in a '44 or '45 war movie.
Turns out it was the "All American System" and it was used by the military as early as '43 and an earlier system used in the '20s for mail.
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03-16-2006, 22:46
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This thread reminded me of something. A week or so ago I was watching an old WWII movie and saw a recovery of a Waco type Glider by a C-47, done much like the recovery method in "Green Berets". I was surprised to see the method in a '44 or '45 war movie.
Turns out it was the "All American System" and it was used by the military as early as '43 and an earlier system used in the '20s for mail.
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I met a retired glider rider who rode the recovery out. He said that it was the worst experience of his life. Made jumping look easy.
The recovery method in The Green Berets is the Fulton "STAR" we discussed. Killed a lot of people, and almost got a general in the early 60s.
We used to teach that glider recovery type method for message pick-ups, or essentially, mail service.
TR
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03-16-2006, 23:01
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As hard as the landings were for the Glider troops it's hard to believe they'd try to pick one up that way.
The Fulton impressed me as a ride I would never want to try either.
Heh, and now that you mention Generals almost got, it reminded me of another story I heard.
Do you know anything of an experiment door mounting .50s onto the UH1s during Vietnam?
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03-16-2006, 23:21
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As hard as the landings were for the Glider troops it's hard to believe they'd try to pick one up that way.
The Fulton impressed me as a ride I would never want to try either.
Heh, and now that you mention Generals almost got, it reminded me of another story I heard.
Do you know anything of an experiment door mounting .50s onto the UH1s during Vietnam?
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We had one or two, used them as flare ships.
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03-17-2006, 06:34
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I met a retired glider rider who rode the recovery out. He said that it was the worst experience of his life. Made jumping look easy.
The recovery method in The Green Berets is the Fulton "STAR" we discussed. Killed a lot of people, and almost got a general in the early 60s.
We used to teach that glider recovery type method for message pick-ups, or essentially, mail service.
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When I went about a year ago they still taught the message pick-up, probably with the same 70-year old man hoisting the canisters. That dude is hard as woddpecker lips. Still jumps out of airplanes... 
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03-17-2006, 06:53
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......A week or so ago I was watching an old WWII movie and saw a recovery of a Waco type Glider by a C-47, done much like the recovery method in "Green Berets"......
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The movie was Operation Burma, made back in the good ol' days of the left coast movie making.
The Brits also have a number of good B/W war morvies. We just never get a chance to see them.
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03-17-2006, 10:54
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Is the V-22 Osprey operational yet?
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03-17-2006, 11:07
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Is the V-22 Osprey operational yet?
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Not to my knowledge, by either the MC or the AFSOC.
You want to go from zero to 100+kts. and up to 500 feet in about a second, then fly through the air tied to a rope with three other dudes while they winch you in across the ramp??
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03-17-2006, 11:27
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Is the V-22 Osprey operational yet?
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I think it will be fairly soon, I also think it is the wrong aircraft!
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03-17-2006, 11:36
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We had one or two, used them as flare ships.
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I was told a story, and maybe just that, that there was some experimentation with replacing the UH1s M-60 pedestal door gun with a .50. That a high ranking officer wanted to be first to try, but someone forgot the pins to secure the gun on the swivel mount and the gun jumped up and smacked the officer. That, according to the story, was the end of having a .50 door gunner in a Huey.
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03-17-2006, 11:40
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Boy, it sure would be an honor to meet your son, ruby. I hope you can get him on here soon. 
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