Protecting the Second Amendment – Why all Americans Should Be Concerned

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by echoes

Tonyz, I get it. Trust me. I get the point. In today's day and age though when someone says, "Americans," and implies All, it just gets my shirt up...and gun.

We are on the same side of this issue. Believe me. I have been following this thread since its inception.


Holly

Trackin’ Holly ! but the mere existence of this web site and this very thread supports the notion that “Americans” by definition...most def does NOT mean “all Americans” as used in the post which caused you some concern. I must acknowledge that I was not that precise. Mea culpa and my apologies. Point well taken and duly noted !

Being on the same side sometimes requires flexibility, diplomacy, communication skills and tact...attributes which I obviously need to work on daily.

[Badger52]

I think that something to keep in mind as times get 'sportier' is that, certainly initially, the individuals who say "No" are going to be vilified & demonized in main-stream accounts of these things. Someone will get jammed up by an ex- mother-in-law twice removed & find themselves at the wrong end of one of these no-due-process "red flag" laws, and say "No." Someone will get ratted out by a flannel-shirted trap-shooter at the range for having an evil 30-round magazine, there will be a visit, and they will say "No."

So it's important to understand the terrain, especially when we know that reporting as it's done these days relies on spellcheck and zero understanding, where more than 2 firearms is an "Arsenal!" and more than a brick of .22 LR is a "massive stockpile!"

Until the feelzgood crowd starts seeing some personal consequences as a result of their actions, this is only the beginning. All the diversity mongers, and soy-boys and "genteel gentlemen" and youngsters with ethnic studies degrees on the town councils are just another echo chamber. As a sage blogger recently wrote: "Diversity is Stockholm Syndrome writ large." Until they see the potential for torches & pitchforks, they'll continue to think they did the right thing.

So, not caring whether the following is gender-inclusive, some folks in Boulder had better "man up."

[bblhead672]

Marco Rubio Brings Back 'Red Flag' Bill for New Congress
http://sunshinestatenews.com/story/m...l-new-congress

Sure glad this squishy NRA A+ rated cuck isn't POTUS.

[Box]

Guilty until proven innocent.

[tonyz]

Politicians of all stripes openly demonstrate (intentional or unintentional) contempt for due process these days.

The pressure to “do something...”

“...anything...”

Often results in the creation of horrible law.

Punishing a person who is merely accused is a recipe for problems.

A fast track evidentiary hearing allowing both sides to appear would seem respectful to the Constitution and still provide for community safety.

[Box]

Not for nothing but what happens when one of these empty suit politicians is "red flagged" by a concerned citizen?

...people get fucking shot all the time over "SWAT'ing" pranks.
Now we are going to kick it up and let folks start red flagging each other just to put them on Big Brothers radar.


O'Brien would be so proud !!!

[Badger52]

A gun owner, jammed up by a po'd relative has already been killed in Maryland (warrant servers don't like to hear "No").

Originally Posted by bblhead672

(on Rubio)
Sure glad this squishy NRA A+ rated cuck isn't POTUS.

That cuts two ways. What does the bestowing of an A+ rating say about the NRA?

[bblhead672]

Originally Posted by Badger52

What does the bestowing of an A+ rating say about the NRA?

That it is in reality a pro-gun control organization? I expect the NRA to back this "common sense" law.

[bblhead672]

Ted Nugent clearly explains that the right to self defense does not come from a piece of paper.

https://youtu.be/dUO3TMO-ezo

I believe that a person's moral compass can be determined by how he references free men the right to defend themselves.

[EricV]

From the usual suspects...


Senators Introduce Assault Weapons Ban
Jan 09 2019
Washington—Senators Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) and Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) today led a group of senators in introducing the Assault Weapons Ban of 2019, an updated bill to ban the sale, transfer, manufacture and importation of military-style assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.

In addition to Feinstein, Murphy and Blumenthal, cosponsors of the bill include Senators Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), Patty Murray (D-Wash.), Jack Reed (D-R.I.), Tom Carper (D-Del.), Bob Menendez (D-N.J.), Ben Cardin (D-Md.), Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii), Mazie Hirono (D-Hawaii), Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Ed Markey (D-Mass.), Cory Booker (D-N.J.), Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), Tammy Duckworth (D-Ill.), Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), Bob Casey (D-Pa.), Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Tina Smith (D-Minn.), Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), Maggie Hassan (D-N.H.), Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.), Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) and Mark Warner (D-Va.).

“Last year we saw tens of thousands of students nationwide take to the streets to demand action to stop mass shootings and stem the epidemic of gun violence that plagues our communities. Our youngest generation has grown up with active-shooter drills, hiding under their desks—and now they’re saying enough is enough,” said Senator Dianne Feinstein. “Americans across the nation are asking Congress to reinstate the federal ban on military-style assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. If we’re going to put a stop to mass shootings and protect our children, we need to get these weapons of war off our streets.”

“Military-style assault rifles are the weapons of choice for mass murderers. There’s just no reason why these guns, which were designed to kill as many people as quickly as possible, are sold to the public,” said Senator Chris Murphy. “This past year, we’ve seen Americans rise up and demand Congress change our gun laws. Banning assault weapons would save lives, and I’m proud to join Senator Feinstein in introducing this bill.”

“Assault weapons and high-capacity magazines are deadly and dangerous weapons of war that belong on battlefields—not our streets. They have no purpose for self-defense or hunting, and no business being in our schools, churches and malls,” said Senator Richard Blumenthal. “By passing this legislation, Congress can honor the memory of the beautiful lives cut short by military-style assault weapons in Newtown, Parkland, Las Vegas, San Bernardino and far too many other American cities. This is the year for my colleagues to turn our rhetoric into reality and finally end America’s gun violence epidemic.”

Key provisions:

Bans the sale, manufacture, transfer and importation of 205 military-style assault weapons by name. Owners may keep existing weapons.
Bans any assault weapon that accepts a detachable ammunition magazine and has one or more military characteristics including a pistol grip, a forward grip, a barrel shroud, a threaded barrel or a folding or telescoping stock. Owners may keep existing weapons.
Bans magazines and other ammunition feeding devices that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition, which allow shooters to quickly fire many rounds without needing to reload. Owners may keep existing magazines.
Exemptions to bill:

The bill exempts by name more than 2,200 guns for hunting, household defense or recreational purposes.
The bill includes a grandfather clause that exempts all weapons lawfully possessed at the date of enactment.
Other provisions:

Requires a background check on any future sale, trade or gifting of an assault weapon covered by the bill.
Requires that grandfathered assault weapons are stored using a secure gun storage or safety device like a trigger lock.
Prohibits the transfer of high-capacity ammunition magazines.
Bans bump-fire stocks and other devices that allow semi-automatic weapons to fire at fully automatic rates.
Updates to Assault Weapons Ban of 2017:

Bans stocks that are “otherwise foldable or adjustable in a manner that operates to reduce the length, size, or any other dimension, or otherwise enhances the concealability of a firearm.”
Bans assault pistols that weigh 50 or more ounces when unloaded, a policy included in the original 1994 ban.
Bans assault pistol stabilizing braces that transform assault pistols into assault rifles by allowing the shooter to shoulder the weapon and fire more accurately.
Bans Thordsen-type grips and stocks that are designed to evade a ban on assault weapons.

[cbtengr]

Originally Posted by EricV

From the usual suspects...


Senators Introduce Assault Weapons Ban
Jan 09 2019


In addition to Feinstein, Murphy and Blumenthal, cosponsors of the bill include Senators Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), Patty Murray (D-Wash.), Jack Reed (D-R.I.), Tom Carper (D-Del.), Bob Menendez (D-N.J.), Ben Cardin (D-Md.), Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii), Mazie Hirono (D-Hawaii), Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Ed Markey (D-Mass.), Cory Booker (D-N.J.), Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), Tammy Duckworth (D-Ill.), Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), Bob Casey (D-Pa.), Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Tina Smith (D-Minn.), Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), Maggie Hassan (D-N.H.), Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.), Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) and Mark Warner (D-Va.).

Thank God that they are in the minority and that they do not have the WH.

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by EricV

From the usual suspects...


In addition to Feinstein, Murphy and Blumenthal, cosponsors of the bill include Senators Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), Patty Murray (D-Wash.), Jack Reed (D-R.I.), Tom Carper (D-Del.), Bob Menendez (D-N.J.), Ben Cardin (D-Md.), Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.), Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii), Mazie Hirono (D-Hawaii), Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Ed Markey (D-Mass.), Cory Booker (D-N.J.), Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), Tammy Duckworth (D-Ill.), Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), Bob Casey (D-Pa.), Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Tina Smith (D-Minn.), Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), Maggie Hassan (D-N.H.), Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.), Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) and Mark Warner (D-Va.).

Info for the Socialist/Commie/Statist accountability file.

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by tonyz

Info for the Socialist/Commie/Statist accountability file.

That's a big file cabinet...

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by Badger52

That's a big file cabinet...

Yup.

And, business at the LGS was a tad slow over the past couple of years - so the good Senator Dianne Feinstein and crew will likely stimulate a relatively lagging segment of the economy.

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by cbtengr

Thank God that they are in the minority and that they do not have the WH.

I believe that there are enough RINOs in the Senate to pass this, particularly as a part of a "compromise." After all, who are you going to vote for next time, even if they do?

None of the pro-gun bills (national reciprocity, hearing protection), made it through to the POTUS, even when the Repubs controlled both houses of Congress and the the White House.

The POTUS, I am afraid, is not a gun guy and will sell us down the river in a flash for political opportunity. He did that already with the bump stock ban, even when the BATF had previously approved them.

Hard times are coming.

TR