75th Make Good SF? - Page 2

ZonieDiver · 12-07-2010, 23:34

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mils · 12-08-2010, 17:20

Regiment molds young killing machines one fire team at a time.

A smart ranger will make a great soldier in almost any environment, sf included. I love the upbringing I've had in the army, and have done well with what I've been given, but wish I started out as a PFC in Regiment as opposed to anywhere else.

And yes, I agree Ranger school will give a good concept of patrolling, small unit direct leadership, and lots of scenario based--don't let the notional fairy bolo your patrol--mdmp choices that'll make you begin to think like a qp, on the fly, no matter what your rank is, so make the most of it, and you'll learn a ton in addition to getting a tab.

Green Light · 12-08-2010, 18:45

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Originally Posted by mils

Regiment molds young killing machines one fire team at a time.

A smart ranger will make a great soldier in almost any environment, sf included. I love the upbringing I've had in the army, and have done well with what I've been given, but wish I started out as a PFC in Regiment as opposed to anywhere else.

And yes, I agree Ranger school will give a good concept of patrolling, small unit direct leadership, and lots of scenario based--don't let the notional fairy bolo your patrol--mdmp choices that'll make you begin to think like a qp, on the fly, no matter what your rank is, so make the most of it, and you'll learn a ton in addition to getting a tab.

Subliminal message here? I noticed that you capitalize Regiment (I assume 75th Infantry) and leave SF lower case. The shift key is next to your right pinky.

mils · 12-08-2010, 19:33

Not at all. Its been a minute since I've had a little corrective training.

I hold both Regiments in high regard.

Surgicalcric · 12-08-2010, 19:57

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Originally Posted by mils

...A smart ranger will make a great soldier in almost any environment, sf included...

Not true in the least bit. I have known/know quite a few smart Rangers (my father one of them) who didn't/doesn't belong anywhere near the missions which set SF apart from the remainder of SOF.

It takes a different mindset to be a good SF soldier.

"The conduct of unconventional warfare carries heavier demands than the wearing of a beret and the mastery of unusual firearms. Unconventional warfare is a state of mind as well as mission and distinctive set of tactics." -Col.(ret) Hy Rothstein

Richard · 12-08-2010, 20:06

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I hold both Regiments in high regard...A smart ranger will make a great soldier in almost any environment, sf included.

Perhaps you think that way because you appear to have served in neither of them yet want to offer an 'informed' opinion on both.

Cric is correct IMO.

Richard

ODA CDR (RET) · 12-09-2010, 16:31

The Ranger Tab as well as the EIB and Jumpmaster is required if you would like to make a career of Special Forces. Let me be the first to tell you that you will not be promoted to a rank of being in charge of troops without them. Of course there is the exception of the few superstars, but then you have to ask yourself if you are a superstar. The earlier in your career you get them, the easier life will be.

craigepo · 12-09-2010, 17:33

Can a lackluster soldier make a good Special Forces guy?

Dusty · 12-09-2010, 17:44

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Can a lackluster soldier make a good Special Forces guy?

Ooh! Ooh! I was! I was!

12-09-2010, 17:51

I've known many Rangers, who did not do well in SF. Seems they were, well, more regimented. They really liked the light-infantry better and returned to have excellent careers back in Batt. They got the SF tab, but never called themselves "SF". They were rangers, always were, always will be. Having the SF tab for them helped and hurt their ranger careers. One was passed over in becoming a 1st SGT in Bn because he had a SF MOS, some thought he would leave again. So he left 1/75th, headed to Hawaii, (25th Inf.), made E8, retired.

Excellent soldiers nonetheless. I know three rangers in 2/75, now, who wish they could get away from the CAG support role, and become a light infantry unit again. They are Sr. NCOs and hate what has become of Bn.

Many have been promoted to Co, Bn, or Grp SGM without a Ranger Tab. Many have been promoted to Co, Bn or Grp Cdr without a Ranger Tab. Many a retired Ranger have run for politcal office and failed to be elected. Many a ranger and special forces soldier has had difficulty with retirement because they have failed to adjust and overcome.

Dozer523 · 12-09-2010, 17:52

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Originally Posted by Dusty

Ooh! Ooh! I was! I was!

There were some of us who didn't really want to be Rangers. (The absence of pink is deliberate.) Making Ranger a pre-qualification for SF, IMO, will deny SF many good Soldiers. "Ranger" as a pre-requisite is going to change the "cut of cloth" to looking pretty Ranger-plaid.

Dusty · 12-09-2010, 17:56

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There were some of us who didn't really want to be Rangers.

Or Jumpmasters.

Dozer523 · 12-09-2010, 18:02

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Originally Posted by Dusty

Or Jumpmasters.

Did Too. Not my fault Bill J is R/G color blind.

12-09-2010, 18:04

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Originally Posted by wet dog

I've known many Rangers, who did not do well in SF. Seems they were, well, more regimented. They really liked the light-infantry better and returned to have excellent careers back in Batt. They got the SF tab, but never called themselves "SF". They were rangers, always were, always will be. Having the SF tab for them helped and hurt their ranger careers. One was passed over in becoming a 1st SGT in Bn because he had a SF MOS, some thought he would leave again. So he left 1/75th, headed to Hawaii, (25th Inf.), made E8, retired.

Excellent soldiers nonetheless. I know three rangers in 2/75, now, who wish they could get away from the CAG support role, and become a light infantry unit again. They are Sr. NCOs and hate what has become of Bn.

Many have been promoted to Co, Bn, or Grp SGM without a Ranger Tab. Many have been promoted to Co, Bn or Grp Cdr without a Ranger Tab. Many a retired Ranger have run for politcal office and failed to be elected. Many a ranger and special forces soldier has had difficulty with retirement because they have failed to adjust and overcome.

I never looked good with a High and Tight. I was much more effective wearing a welding jacket, long hair, hands in pockets, drinking coffee.

I lacked a certain luster myself.

Dusty · 12-09-2010, 18:11

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Originally Posted by Dozer523

Did Too. Not my fault Bill J is R/G color blind.