07-18-2004, 19:01
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Kubatons
Any fans out there? All the talk about airline security and all...
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07-18-2004, 20:10
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I learned how to use one in college in Defensive Tactics class and continue to train with it. I give basic instruction in its use for self defense classes. As a "management tool" I think they're excellent and can see a use for well trained flight crews using them.
Then again, any rigid cylindrical object can be used as a kubaton by someone well trained in its concept and use. A passenger can take out their ball point pen and use it in the same fashion.
I wonder why this has been overlooked in airport security. Obviously you can't take everyone's pen away from them but they don't need to carry that gold or platinum pen on the plane.
Guess you can't think of everything.
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07-18-2004, 20:12
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Just in case someone forgot what they look like. . .
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07-18-2004, 20:19
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I have that exact one on my EDC keys. I should train more with it. Kelly used to show the pwoer of them on a watermelon. Pretty impressive.
Here's an old manual for similar stuff:
Yawara
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07-18-2004, 20:24
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Quote:
Originally posted by Kyobanim
I wonder why this has been overlooked in airport security. Obviously you can't take everyone's pen away from them but they don't need to carry that gold or platinum pen on the plane.
Guess you can't think of everything.
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I believe that they are illegal for carry-ons.
The pens, keys, or flashlight are decent substitutes.
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07-18-2004, 23:48
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No luck
NDD,
I'm not having any luck with your link.
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07-19-2004, 06:42
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Re: No luck
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NDD,
I'm not having any luck with your link.
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Try it now. Sorry
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07-19-2004, 06:49
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Let's avoid discussions about airport security and what will pass and what will not please.
Reaper already said all that needs to be said on the subject.
I like the kubaton because I always have to with me. It can be very effective with a minimal amount of training. A lot of people think it is gas when they first see it - good surpirse factor. I can act like I'm going to spray, then WHACK!
There's a guy on USN that's making them in titanium. Very nice. I'm glad they are making a comeback. Koppo sticks are GTG too, but look more like a weapon to me. The old JuJo was pretty cool too.
Point about the kubaton that has been mentioned already. If you train with it a little, there are probably viable substitutes in your pocket, briefcase or purse right now.
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07-19-2004, 07:23
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Good weapon
They are extremely effective once you learn how to use them. I used to teach them in my womens SD class in back home in Germany. The women loved it because it was a tool that was so unsuspecting to the attacker. Their are dozens of ways to hold them and spin them as you strike from one point to the other.
Since they are usually on the keychains, I would show them how to hold them as they are walking to their cars, and they can still open the door with the kuboton in the ready position with one hand. The one I carry is shorty to conceal its true potential and is less likely to take up alot of space on my pocket.
I would recommend them, especially for women.
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07-19-2004, 07:36
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If you can afford one, I highly recomment the Mont Blanc "Meisterstuck" as a fine writing instrument.
Look real good with that lawyer briefcase, too.
TR
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07-23-2004, 21:05
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I'm ordering milspec T-9046 Titanium in 3/8 inch dia. round stock now. Time I designed a writing pen.
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07-23-2004, 22:50
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Very nice calipers.
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07-24-2004, 07:57
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FrontSight Sir! What country do you live in? Would you please push the button on your digital calipers for inches? That mm measurement is not used here, french people use that. That said, looks like I'll have to find some 1/2 inch ti stock to start with.
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07-24-2004, 08:09
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LOL.. I admit to thinking the same thing Bill. I checked to see if he was from OH CANADA!
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07-24-2004, 08:57
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Now he's made me walk clear out in the shop to pack my digital calipers in here to see if my mm button works.
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