10-04-2008, 16:11
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Heres my question
I have been to Selection 1 time and I am ashamed to say that I vw'd because at the time I guess I thought I was injured more than I really was looking back. I am planning to go back to Selection but I recieved a NTR but then it said return with a waiver. So what I am wondering is have I already banned myself from being selected when I go back. Can I still be selected when I already have a vw and a NTR on my record plus being there on a waiver? Thank You for your time.
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10-04-2008, 16:30
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10-04-2008, 21:23
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Thank you sir for your reply. I would also like to thank you for this site and evrything that you do for all of us with a dream of joining your brotherhood.
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10-04-2008, 21:52
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Originally Posted by jennysman1210
I already have a vw and a NTR on my record
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What is a vw and a ntr?
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10-04-2008, 21:57
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What is a vw and a ntr?
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VW - Voluntary Withdrawl; i.e., you choose to leave on your own accord
NTR - Not To Return; you did something ugly enough to prevent you from being allowed to come back at a later time to try again
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10-04-2008, 22:03
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NTR - Not To Return; you did something ugly enough to prevent you from being allowed to come back at a later time to try again[/QUOTE]
This is not completely true because I did nothing ugly or wrong.
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10-04-2008, 22:24
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VW - Voluntary Withdrawl; i.e., you choose to leave on your own accord
NTR - Not To Return; you did something ugly enough to prevent you from being allowed to come back at a later time to try again
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Thank you.
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10-05-2008, 05:34
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That you know of
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Originally Posted by jennysman1210
.....This is not completely true because I did nothing ugly or wrong.
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10-05-2008, 09:17
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Well you are right about that Sir. Now I am wondering though. Being that I recieved NTR but it says return with a waiver does'nt that mean that I did not do anything wrong or ugly? I mean they are still allowing me to come back to the course. Thank you very much for your time.
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10-05-2008, 12:24
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Originally Posted by jennysman1210
NTR - Not To Return; you did something ugly enough to prevent you from being allowed to come back at a later time to try again
This is not completely true because I did nothing ugly or wrong.
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Look at it from this perspective - In a situation where potentially one or two other teammates are depending on you to be there and not have to pick up your slack - YOU CAN'T QUIT. Many guys have been bent/broken/really F#$%ed up and don't quit - training and mission.
Not sure what your injury was and don't really care. Guys have completed selection with some really bad injuries- even ones where Doc said to stop - they refused. I'm sorry that you decided to VW. Does it mean that you're a POS? No, not at all. You made a tough decision to go to selection, you made a tough decision to quit. Obviously one you regret and that's a good thing.
You gave up on yourself and by default you gave up on your teammates. That is WRONG.
When you're sucking - take it one step at a time. Good luck with the waiver.
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10-05-2008, 12:28
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Originally Posted by jennysman1210
NTR - Not To Return; you did something ugly enough to prevent you from being allowed to come back at a later time to try again
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This is not completely true because I did nothing ugly or wrong.[/QUOTE]
VWs are not NTRed without extenuating circumstances.
You should have received an outbriefing that explained why you were issued an NTR.
Are you saying that this did not happen?
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10-05-2008, 12:34
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Originally Posted by koz
You made a tough decision to go to selection, you made a tough decision to quit. Obviously one you regret and that's a good thing.
You gave up on yourself and by default you gave up on your teammates. That is WRONG. When you're sucking - take it one step at a time. Good luck with the waiver.
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You are very right and I never looked at it like that. Thank you opening my eyes to that. I regret it alot and think it was so far the worst mistake I have ever made. Is it hard to get a waiver? I am willing to do whatever I have to do to recieve that waiver and get another shot. Thank you for your time Sir.
Last edited by Surgicalcric; 10-07-2008 at 20:09.
Reason: Adjusted your quote
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10-05-2008, 12:40
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Are you saying that this did not happen?
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I am not going to say that did not happen. I just do not recall that. I know that all of the Instructors there were extremly professional and if they are supposed to do that then I am sure that they did. I just don't remember it. I did not mean to make it sound as if someone was not doing what they were supposed to do and I hope it does not come across that way or offend anyone. Thank you for your time.
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10-07-2008, 19:56
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So can anybody tell me how hard it is to get a waiver ? Thank you for your time.
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10-07-2008, 20:08
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So can anybody tell me how hard it is to get a waiver ? Thank you for your time.
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No, we are not, because we do not make that call. The SWTG CO does.
It occurs to me that if you really wanted it, you would have applied for the waiver already, instead of continuing to talk about it.
Honestly, I feel that I am beginning to understand the cadre's decision. You are going to have to demonstrate what you have done to correct your deficiencies since you VWed and were NTRed.
Stop talking about it and either apply for the waiver, or move on with your life and accept your decision to quit.
The motivation you will need resides in your heart, not in the words you will find on the internet.
You are not going to find anything more here.
Best of luck.
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