07-23-2004, 07:59
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JAWBREAKER
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NDD-
If you like that mag, their website is offering FREE to the public back issue articles. YOu can click on them, fill out a quick info section ( real or made up) except your email address, and they send you a link to view the articles as a adobe .pdf file.
Here is one by Rogers on proper carbine positioning... comments?
Username: SWATrocks
Password: watchsix
http://www.swatmag.com/shop/media/do...hots_02_05.pdf
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07-23-2004, 08:22
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Cool, thanks.
I'll read the whole thing later, but I can tell you right now, I don't like that off hand grip on the mag well/mag. You start finger fookin' an M4 mag, you're going to have feed problems. I've seen it a million times.
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07-23-2004, 13:10
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One thing I see that I most definitely agree with is using the support hand to operate the charging handle. I hook the catch with the index finger of my support hand and pull, and with the exception of performing remedial action, I have no need to remove my firing hand from the pistol grip. Using the strong side hand to manipulate magazines, work the charging handle, and "thumbing" the bolt catch are a few of the bad habits that Marines pick up at the KD range. It would be nice to see the field firing portion of the rifle range turn into a week-long block of instruction and qualification on no-shit combat shooting.
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07-23-2004, 14:09
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I realize there is always a "best" way to do these things. My take on the off hand is I don't really care how they do it as long as they get it done quickly and smoothly. The reason I don't like the offhand on the mag is it makes the weapon malfunction.
From what I hear and can imagine, the SOG guys could change a CAR 15 mag faster than Billy the Kid could go for his guns. I'd like to hear their take on this.
VMI - are you guys carrying secondary weapons?
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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07-24-2004, 11:29
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Roger that!
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Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Cool, thanks.
I'll read the whole thing later, but I can tell you right now, I don't like that off hand grip on the mag well/mag. You start finger fookin' an M4 mag, you're going to have feed problems. I've seen it a million times.
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I agree.
If you are more comfortable with pulling the weapon in, to keep it seated in the pocket of the shoulder with your off-hand.
Just slide back on the hand-gaurds until the knife edge of your off-hand is making contact with just the magazine well and not the magazine.
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07-24-2004, 17:18
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I never had a problem with grasping the mag well, but I haven't fired the amount of rounds that you and Guy have, so I'll defer to your experience. Negative on secondary weapons, although I am going to try to take a 1911 with me on the next go-round.
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07-24-2004, 18:46
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Originally posted by VMI_Marine
I never had a problem with grasping the mag well, but I haven't fired the amount of rounds that you and Guy have, so I'll defer to your experience. Negative on secondary weapons, although I am going to try to take a 1911 with me on the next go-round.
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Do not take a POW with you, you are better off trying to pick one up in country, then you can dump it when you leave.
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07-26-2004, 18:06
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Roger that TR.
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Do not take a POW with you, you are better off trying to pick one up in country, then you can dump it when you leave.
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Look for 9mm...easier to acquire rounds Sir. 
MP...MP, look what I have to trade. 
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08-07-2004, 13:40
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Originally posted by Blackjack78
Pat is a good man and an excellent trainer as well.
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Totally agree, just spent the last 6 days learning from him. Im humbled by what I thought I knew, and 1000% better now.
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08-09-2004, 00:34
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Originally posted by Psywar1-0
Totally agree, just spent the last 6 days learning from him. Im humbled by what I thought I knew, and 1000% better now.
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Were you in class with this guy?
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/shoote...carbine04.html
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