09-08-2017, 14:23
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One thing I'm not sure people noticed... this incident happened OVER A MONTH ago...
The only reason there was a public hue and cry was because a news station got a copy of the bodycam footage....
How often do you guys think this happened BEFORE bodycams? What about agencies that do not have them?
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09-08-2017, 14:56
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Originally Posted by RichL025
One thing I'm not sure people noticed... this incident happened OVER A MONTH ago...
The only reason there was a public hue and cry was because a news station got a copy of the bodycam footage....
How often do you guys think this happened BEFORE bodycams? What about agencies that do not have them?
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I suspect quite a few have noticed. The footage (from at least 2 different cams) was apparently released by her attorney. Imagine it takes awhile to get that from the department. Paperwork with fancy names & stuff.
The answer to your question is in the body-cam footage - all the time, probably. The problem in this instance is someone didn't roll-over & did the right thing. To be fair, I've also heard there are plenty of instances where the body-cam saved an officer's butt from some allegation-slinging dirtbag.
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09-08-2017, 15:00
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To be fair, I've also heard there are plenty of instances where the body-cam saved an officer's butt from some allegation-slinging dirtbag.
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Absolutely! Thats why I think it is a win-win proposition - protect decent cops from spurious accusations and protect the public from power-hungry Cartman's with a badge.... "You must respect my authori-tay!"
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09-08-2017, 15:24
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Absolutely! Thats why I think it is a win-win proposition - protect decent cops from spurious accusations and protect the public from power-hungry Cartman's with a badge.... "You must respect my authori-tay!"
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We'll see. Looks like SLC has decided to rope-in some add'l help:
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SALT LAKE CITY -- Salt Lake County District Attorney Sim Gill has requested the FBI's assistance in the investigation into the arrest of a Utah nurse who refused to allow a blood draw from an unconscious patient without following proper procedure.
In a statement released Thursday, Gill said his office officially requested the FBI investigate: "any and all individuals involved in the chain of conduct arising from the incident at the University of Utah Hospital on July 26, 2017 for any Civil Rights Violations under the color of authority."
Gill said he requested the FBI's help due to events beyond a mere criminal investigation.
“There continue to be issues that go beyond merely a criminal investigation, and, in an effort to address those concerns, the Salt Lake County District Attorney’s Office has formally asked for assistance from our Federal law enforcement partners to fully vet issues only they can investigate,” Gill stated. “The decision for this was arrived over the Labor Day weekend and a formal letter requesting this assistance was sent out Sept. 6, 2017."
The FBI in Salt Lake City sent Fox 13 this statement Thursday: "The FBI opened a civil rights/color of law review of the matter when we found out about it in the media. Sim Gill has also asked for our assistance which we will provide."
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Hopefully they don't move at the same speed as Congressional inquiries into (fill-in your least favorite Obama-era debacle).
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09-08-2017, 16:32
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Originally Posted by RichL025
Absolutely! Thats why I think it is a win-win proposition - protect decent cops from spurious accusations and protect the public from power-hungry Cartman's with a badge.... "You must respect my authori-tay!"
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Absolutely. I am hugely suspicious of any police organization that opposes body cams for the reasons stated.
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10-10-2017, 20:16
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The cog comes 'round...
Detective fired; his supervisor LT demoted to Officer.
LINK here.
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A Utah police officer who was caught on video roughly handcuffing a nurse because she refused to allow a blood draw was fired Tuesday in a case that became a flashpoint in the ongoing national conversation about police use of force.
Salt Lake City Police Chief Mike Brown made the decision after an internal investigation found evidence Detective Jeff Payne violated department policies when he arrested nurse Alex Wubbels and dragged her out of the hospital as she screamed on July 26, said Sgt. Brandon Shearer, a spokesman for the department.
Attorney Greg Skordas has said Payne served the department well for nearly three decades and questioned whether his behavior warranted termination. He couldn't immediately be reached for comment Tuesday.
Payne's supervisor, Lt. James Tracy, was also demoted to officer. His lawyer, Ed Brass, couldn't immediately be reached for comment.
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10-11-2017, 09:42
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Detective fired; his supervisor LT demoted to Officer.
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The lieutenant gave the order/approval for the detective's actions, he should have been fired as well instead of demoted.
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10-11-2017, 10:34
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The lieutenant gave the order/approval for the detective's actions, he should have been fired as well instead of demoted.
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Yep...the only one worse than the guy breaking the law is the one that gave him the order to do so. They should suffer the same fate.
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10-11-2017, 11:48
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Yep...the only one worse than the guy breaking the law is the one that gave him the order to do so. They should suffer the same fate.
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Never know; there are still criminal charges possible, although that may be to a certain extent up to the victim. This action is simply embarrassed-employer/embarrassing-employee stuff. IANAL so don't know if there are certain things a DA has to prosecute on behalf of the people (whether the victim prefers it or not) or how much discretion they have. I imagine the nurse gets to weigh-in; whether the usual sacrificial lamb slide show is sufficient remains to be seen. Just like Hollyweird or DC, no one's "appalled" until they get caught.
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11-01-2017, 10:38
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One more zero please...
$500K settlement reached.
LINK here.
And the appeals are in progress for those in the "you were too mad at me, you should only be a little bit mad at me" category.
From the detective:
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Payne is appealing that decision, saying the firing was an unfair reaction to the negative publicity. (Uh, publicity caused by...?)
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The demoted supervisor says his superiors never told him of the (joint hospital/PD) policy that was produced in hardcopy for the officers in the ER. Sounds like routine lawyer/union/management stuff.
Sounds like the nurse has some productive moving on & goals in the hopper for her portion of the settlement and that's a good thing. Drive on.
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