Google internal video leaked

[Flagg]

UK Daily Mail is not the most credible news source, but the embedded Google internal video is quite impactful:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...xtremists.html

It provides considerable context in the personal biases of:

Sergey Brin(co founder)
Larry Page(co founder)
Sundar Pichai(CEO)
Eileen Naughton(Chief People Officer)
Kent Walker(Chief Legal Affairs Officer)

Sergey Brin and Larry Page control 56% of supervoting shares maintaining strategic control of the company.

Google’s unofficial motto of “Don’t be evil” has been ignored and/or abandoned in numerous cases.

Maybe it should iterate to “Don’t be biased” from the current “Don’t be conservative.”

[Scimitar]

In our current battle for our nations soul, this is the single most disturbing thing I have heard.

These people have boundless ability to influence, yet little to no understanding of anything outside tech.

Can someone tell me, when did we start thinking that if someone is an expert in one area, they by default must be an expert in another?

I don't fear liberal thinking, I fear thoughtless liberals.
This will not end well.

S

[Old Dog New Trick]

Bunch of super smarts retards!

This is close to the top of most stupidest things I’ve ever heard:

At one point during the conference, Brin talks about the typical mentality of Trump voters.

He argues that those with 'routine jobs' were more likely to vote for Trump than those with 'non-routine' jobs - and said 'boredom' might explain the President's popularity.

'There's actually a lot of historical precedent for boredom being a huge factor in vote choice,' Brin told the crowd.

'And actually in building extremism. We've done a lot of work on extremism that shows a high correlation with boredom.'

'Data suggests that boredom led to the rise of fascism and communism. It sort of sneaks up sometimes, really bad things.'

'History teaches us that there are periods of populism, of nationalism that rise up, and that's all the reason we need to be in the arena,' Walker says.

Maybe one of these ‘brilliant’ thinkers could “GOOGLE” - The history of fascism!

[GratefulCitizen]

Intelligence and wisdom are not the same thing.

[Flagg]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

Bunch of super smarts retards!

This is close to the top of most stupidest things I’ve ever heard:



Maybe one of these ‘brilliant’ thinkers could “GOOGLE” - The history of fascism!

I’ve visited the Google campus and know a couple of folks working there.

It’s a pretty amazing place with some pretty amazingly talented people. But it is a reality distortion field that prevents people from understanding that the other 99.9% of the world doesn’t generated even 1% of the same profit per employee that they do.

I’ve spent a lot of time in Silicon Valley and studying at Stanford so I have a pretty decent understanding of the local culture.

I would never say I understand exactly how it feels to have been discriminated against for being black/gay/etc.

But as Mark Twain said, “History does not repeat itself, but it rhymes.”

I teach an intro to bias(not the weird stuff) as part of a bigger program on problem solving.

Comfirmation
Conformity
Sunk Cost Fallacy
Halo Effect

Some good stuff to know when conducting small team problem solving.

Algorithmic Bias is 2 levels of magnitude more complex when it comes to something like Google Search Rank.

I don’t like regulation(beyond the necessary), but I wonder if auditing algorithms such as Google Search Rank would be a good idea on an ongoing basis.

It’s like a living entity that is constantly being updated and evolving with the input of hundreds of people. Biased people.

Used by billions and kept in a locked box beyond what can be learned from reverse engineering search results.

“Don’t be Biased” > “Don’t be Evil.”

[Paslode]

I saw some clips of the video which seemed jamb packed with foreigners (I could be wrong but that was my take) and it brought to mind a local school district that was having issues with some parents as to the curriculum being taught o their kiddo's.

The said parents were typically foreigners, who were imported to work at Sprint and they complained about the amount of American History the school district was teaching. These parents had no interest in American History and they wanted American History replaced with Science and Math.

So in essence we have imported a bunch of folks that could give a flying F--k about the USA, would just as soon scrap the USA and form a new nation to their liking.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Flagg,

The problem (as I see it) with people who are really well connected, raised in a bubble, and the product of an exclusive education is that they lack common sense.

It’s as if they found the answers to everything without actually asking the questions.

Because of that smug elitism (apparently prevalent in Silicon Valley) many there actually believe they are the chosen ones to lead and control the Information Age. If that is true then there is no place on earth where it is more important for perception bias to be checked at the door and an office of: ethics, bias, and diversity needs to exist.

Failure to control or prevent perception bias in a company which has a prominent role in providing information in real-time has to be factual and truthful or prominently disclose the bias (warning banner) of the author or sources providing the information. Especially with regards to political advertising or promoting political opinions.

The future and success or failure of AI, autonomous vehicles and “smart” products is dependent on an old computer phrase, “garbage in, garbage out.” If Google’s data mining and institutional bias clouds the decision making process through selective algorithms only consistent with a small fraction of their ideological beliefs then it is very likely that the fictional company ‘Skynet’ will take over to eliminate the stupid humans before they ruin the world.

[WarriorDiplomat]

Thanks

Originally Posted by Paslode

I saw some clips of the video which seemed jamb packed with foreigners (I could be wrong but that was my take) and it brought to mind a local school district that was having issues with some parents as to the curriculum being taught o their kiddo's.

The said parents were typically foreigners, who were imported to work at Sprint and they complained about the amount of American History the school district was teaching. These parents had no interest in American History and they wanted American History replaced with Science and Math.

So in essence we have imported a bunch of folks that could give a flying F--k about the USA, would just as soon scrap the USA and form a new nation to their liking.

Two things come to mind when reading this response

Google follows the free market principle of recruiting the most talented people they can....opposed to the governmental quota that has seen Masters degrees given to students without even the basic mastery of language and communication....as in the rise of useless social science degrees in the U.S. The irony is a bunch of kids with a skewed experience of life from their perch that they lack the wisdom to understand the process that got them to the dance.....youthful exuberance at it's highest level of ignorance

The other thing that jumps out is the foreign student parents preference of more math and science and less history....IMO that is a good thing regardless of motivations to colonize from a foreign perspective we U.S. education brainwash our citizenry with leftist bias to atone for our evil past. Though I agree some history is important there is not another field IMO more open to interpretation, false conclusions, historical bias leading to biased narratives....history is not black and white data it is meant to be studied and interpreted and is being used today as a weapon against society with the lefts narratives in which justifies the means so blatant revisionism in their flavor gives rise to the emotionally self destructive belief that citizens are programmed not educated....IMO there is little pure truth in history but I agree with cutting back the social engineering aspect of education and getting to the useful non or lesser biased useful subjects. In many other countries they do not shove useless stuff down there throats as much as westerners do..thats a good thing.

I am of the opinion that math and science has far more uses the mastery of which would promote a more rational thinking process...I am speaking of long math where a person must go through the problem solving process to get to the answer

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by WarriorDiplomat

Thanks

You're welcome. Good points WD.

The USA is like a house. Time, money and energy must be invested to maintain it's well being, otherwise it will in time become a heap of rubble.

My kids frequently come home to tell me about a teacher preaching only one view point, their view point, it drives me nuts! Our current project is looking for colleges that will 'likely' provide a well rounded education that will equate to meaningful and gainful employment upon graduation....rather than a degree in social justice.

A week or two ago my daughter noticed I had downloaded the Infowars app and she asked why I downloaded it? She also stated that AJ was crazy and that kids were talking about him at school. My response was I downloaded it in protest because he had been censored by Google, and that she should take sometime to listen to him before making a judgement. After listening to AJ she was a bit bewildered as to why people were upset with him....he is just goofy, he screams a lot and he sells vitamins. Is AJ any worse than the Westboro Baptist Church that protest your school on a yearly basis? Does Aj incite violence like AntiFA/BLM? Oh, hell no. Should he have been censored? No, he isn't hurting anyone.

There are at least two sides to every story, and history is a story. Math and Science are definitely critical tools to have these days, but I believe that understanding our convoluted history (the best we can) is equally important....Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it, which might be why we see so many idolizing Che, AntiFA, BLM. Bernie Sanders and candidates like Cortez.

I do not believe in job entitlement, never have, you either earn your way or you don't. I understand Goggle's using free market principles, though I do believe it has more to do with getting people on the cheap than it does with not having capable people within the US. I also wonder if Google would be averse to using Chinese slave labor if they could make it work. Google is far from alone in this aspect, they are in good company with Nike, Apple, Tyson's Foods and many others.

Despite all the free market principles Google may be utilizing, they like many tech firms partake in parasitic corporate welfare. 'Google, the second-most valuable company in the galaxy with a market capitalization of $770 billion. It has enjoyed government largess of $766 million since 2000.'

https://www.breitbart.com/california...ent-subsidies/

I might also add that 'some' believe that Google, Facebook, Twitter, Snapchat, etc. are government funded shell companies who's sole purpose is to collect data.....later to be used for nefarious purposes......like swinging an election one way or the other

Are Google and it's VISA workers invested in the well being of the USA and the principles that have made the USA what it is??? Or are they parasites consuming their host??? Would a company who is invested in the USA and its principles develop software to censor speech and thought??? Would a company that is invested in the principles of the USA allow itself to become the arbiter of speech and thought?

Is it a good idea to have Google in the Classroom

[Hand]

Originally Posted by Scimitar

In our current battle for our nations soul, this is the single most disturbing thing I have heard.

These people have boundless ability to influence, yet little to no understanding of anything outside tech.

Can someone tell me, when did we start thinking that if someone is an expert in one area, they by default must be an expert in another?

I don't fear liberal thinking, I fear thoughtless liberals.
This will not end well.

S

Your statement applies just as well to a majority of our congress critters with a twist: boundless influence, yet little to no understanding of tech.

[WarriorDiplomat]

Originally Posted by Paslode

You're welcome. Good points WD.

The USA is like a house. Time, money and energy must be invested to maintain it's well being, otherwise it will in time become a heap of rubble.

My kids frequently come home to tell me about a teacher preaching only one view point, their view point, it drives me nuts! Our current project is looking for colleges that will 'likely' provide a well rounded education that will equate to meaningful and gainful employment upon graduation....rather than a degree in social justice.

A week or two ago my daughter noticed I had downloaded the Infowars app and she asked why I downloaded it? She also stated that AJ was crazy and that kids were talking about him at school. My response was I downloaded it in protest because he had been censored by Google, and that she should take sometime to listen to him before making a judgement. After listening to AJ she was a bit bewildered as to why people were upset with him....he is just goofy, he screams a lot and he sells vitamins. Is AJ any worse than the Westboro Baptist Church that protest your school on a yearly basis? Does Aj incite violence like AntiFA/BLM? Oh, hell no. Should he have been censored? No, he isn't hurting anyone.

There are at least two sides to every story, and history is a story. Math and Science are definitely critical tools to have these days, but I believe that understanding our convoluted history (the best we can) is equally important....Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it, which might be why we see so many idolizing Che, AntiFA, BLM. Bernie Sanders and candidates like Cortez.

I do not believe in job entitlement, never have, you either earn your way or you don't. I understand Goggle's using free market principles, though I do believe it has more to do with getting people on the cheap than it does with not having capable people within the US. I also wonder if Google would be averse to using Chinese slave labor if they could make it work. Google is far from alone in this aspect, they are in good company with Nike, Apple, Tyson's Foods and many others.

Despite all the free market principles Google may be utilizing, they like many tech firms partake in parasitic corporate welfare. 'Google, the second-most valuable company in the galaxy with a market capitalization of $770 billion. It has enjoyed government largess of $766 million since 2000.'

https://www.breitbart.com/california...ent-subsidies/

I might also add that 'some' believe that Google, Facebook, Twitter, Snapchat, etc. are government funded shell companies who's sole purpose is to collect data.....later to be used for nefarious purposes......like swinging an election one way or the other

Are Google and it's VISA workers invested in the well being of the USA and the principles that have made the USA what it is??? Or are they parasites consuming their host??? Would a company who is invested in the USA and its principles develop software to censor speech and thought??? Would a company that is invested in the principles of the USA allow itself to become the arbiter of speech and thought?

Is it a good idea to have Google in the Classroom

That's the point our education system is more along the lines of brainwashing in the leftist version of how to view history....I am a history buff but I also know the truth does not exist only evidence of what happenef....but if a leftist liberal who apparently does not learn from history proven in their unduing belief in socialism which has become over and over totalitarian dictatorships going back thousands of years of recorded history is teaching the revision version of history do we really want someone like this teaching our children?....leftist are so caught up in their warped thinking and world of make believe have the advantage as an authority in a child's eyes as well as the skill to control the social construct of the classroom and create a peer pressure environment . They honest to God do not believe what they are doing is not the same thing as the rest of the world's socialism in fact many do not see it as this at all. If the choice is to have a leftist teaching propaganda which I would argue we are seeing the fruits today in colleges imagine the next 10-20 yrs or not at all I would go with not at all. I would rather a short American history class and replace most of the social science classes with rational science and writing skills and limit their ability to brainwash our kids with useless courses. How do we escape the publishings of leftist ideology from getting our children at vulnerable ages.....we can't all we can do is offer them facts so that they recognize the difference betweeen bold lies and hearsey and empirical evidence and fact.

If the nuerology field is correct which in my observations seems to be accurate a humans median age for full brain development where the pre frontal cortex rationality fully develops then kids are vulnerable to leftist over emotional irrationality even into college....I noticed my 3 kids were more irrational until they hit their early to mid 20's and have a much more rational view of the world and not as gullible to their emotional.....this is why IMO it is important to do as you do as I do...our house is full of books for them to read and now our grandchildren....by teaching the love of reading they will develop a thirst for information eventually the rationality of many of our topics help counter the wacky education system. Also I am a huge proponent of long math to develop rational thinking in which they follow evidence and develop the process of problem solving....sure advanced math is for the more talents but the basics, geometry, and a few others everyone should know to some degree. I believe technology destroys the process of logical reasoning in many ways by shortcutting the process.....it is the process in which you learn not using a calulator to instantly solve it....the problem this presents society becomes allegorical.

If there is a way to deconstruct our representative republic nation as complex as it is one must play the long game......democratic processes are important for freedom but I am afraid it is this process that will render the constitution as just an old unrealistic document and through this process vote to eliminate the rule of law...why??? every election we see two numbers being tracked the electoral college vote and the populist....leftist cannot reconcile this especially when their candidate had more actual votes but loses the election..... unfortunately our destruction is coming from within by way of leftist cancer....most of our perceived enemies depend on our economy to keep theirs afloat hence the panic of China as Trump's pulls done of that economic power back to us....and the reason China try to keep N. Korea's stupidity at Bay...are only true enemies are our own leftist extremist second is Muslim extremism. As far as Google and the rest of the libs....who cares their opinions and their way of thinking is the opposite of rational conservatives it is IMO a brain chemistry issue....we have to continue to win them with facts and eventually get them to re-engage the rationale part of the brain and subdue the irrational thinking that has led to transgenderism and LGBTQ controlling our social media....considering that maybe 1 percent or less are LGBTQ who controls our media in this country a logical person says why should they write our agenda and control our education system for the 99 + percent....leftist cannot grasp thus rationale.

History IMO is important unless those that control the story distort and try to bury it as in the leftist destroying confederate monuments. The irony is libs say it represents an evil era and yet blacks n the south especially those prior to the civil rights movement before race hustlers took the lead are the ones trying to educate and defend this legacy.....the descendants of slaves know their own history they know that without their labor this great nation would never have been built since a majority of slavery (human labor) was necessary pre industrial age and machinery...slave owner sometimes took better care of the slaves than they did their own family most farmers take good care of their means of survival and production......they know that by being in America they are in the greatest nation this side of heaven to be born here and not in Africa is a blessing.....the Civil war had little to nothing to do with slavery but more to do with the economics and disagreements with Washington D.C. and a desire to secede from the North....free blacks were slave owners in the south....blacks voluntarily fought to protect the confederacy.....many slaves loved their owners and were better off if their owner stayed alive due to families being broken up when being divided it was preferred to keep slaves in their family units.....many slaves were given the land they worked as an inheritance.....Liberia was bought by wealthy men to give the slaves granted freedom who wanted to go back to Africa a place to go it eventually developed its own version of our governance however most blacks never wanted to go back.....slavery still exists especially in Africa and the NOI idiots were not stupid they knew that it was these Muslim Arabs who dominate and still dominate the slave trade.....oh and slavery has been a human condition long before the U.S. was settles look at the Romans who had a robust slave society....if they were given its stuff like this that a liberal wants are children to not know. To this day slave labor exists it is as old as prostitution every country has serfdom to some extent or another and it takes many forms most of the negative opinions of how bad slavery was to blacks came from race hustlers but not from history.

[Flagg]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

Flagg,

The problem (as I see it) with people who are really well connected, raised in a bubble, and the product of an exclusive education is that they lack common sense.

It’s as if they found the answers to everything without actually asking the questions.

Because of that smug elitism (apparently prevalent in Silicon Valley) many there actually believe they are the chosen ones to lead and control the Information Age. If that is true then there is no place on earth where it is more important for perception bias to be checked at the door and an office of: ethics, bias, and diversity needs to exist.

Failure to control or prevent perception bias in a company which has a prominent role in providing information in real-time has to be factual and truthful or prominently disclose the bias (warning banner) of the author or sources providing the information. Especially with regards to political advertising or promoting political opinions.

The future and success or failure of AI, autonomous vehicles and “smart” products is dependent on an old computer phrase, “garbage in, garbage out.” If Google’s data mining and institutional bias clouds the decision making process through selective algorithms only consistent with a small fraction of their ideological beliefs then it is very likely that the fictional company ‘Skynet’ will take over to eliminate the stupid humans before they ruin the world.

I think there is a lot of truth in your post.

I remember Hillary Clinton on the campaign trail having a “consultation meeting” with Britney Spears.

Britney Spear is a vapid pop star who probably can’t identify 10 US States correctly, let alone 10 foreign countries.

But she had over 100 milli9n social followers, hence the meeting and photos.

The tech elite have the potential to influence billions rather than millions.

I’m left thinking about Smedley Butler in the 1930’s and limits placed on media ownership laws in the aftermath of it.

[Flagg]

Originally Posted by WarriorDiplomat

Thanks

Two things come to mind when reading this response

Google follows the free market principle of recruiting the most talented people they can....opposed to the governmental quota that has seen Masters degrees given to students without even the basic mastery of language and communication....as in the rise of useless social science degrees in the U.S. The irony is a bunch of kids with a skewed experience of life from their perch that they lack the wisdom to understand the process that got them to the dance.....youthful exuberance at it's highest level of ignorance

The other thing that jumps out is the foreign student parents preference of more math and science and less history....IMO that is a good thing regardless of motivations to colonize from a foreign perspective we U.S. education brainwash our citizenry with leftist bias to atone for our evil past. Though I agree some history is important there is not another field IMO more open to interpretation, false conclusions, historical bias leading to biased narratives....history is not black and white data it is meant to be studied and interpreted and is being used today as a weapon against society with the lefts narratives in which justifies the means so blatant revisionism in their flavor gives rise to the emotionally self destructive belief that citizens are programmed not educated....IMO there is little pure truth in history but I agree with cutting back the social engineering aspect of education and getting to the useful non or lesser biased useful subjects. In many other countries they do not shove useless stuff down there throats as much as westerners do..thats a good thing.

I am of the opinion that math and science has far more uses the mastery of which would promote a more rational thinking process...I am speaking of long math where a person must go through the problem solving process to get to the answer

Agreed.

The enhanced focus on math/science in the shadow of Sputnik and the race to the moon was a huge net positive for the US.

[exsquid]

Math today is not what is was when we were kids. I just helped my second grader with her math homework and I have a hard time understanding what they are getting out. They literally teach the most asinine processes you can imagine.

As for tearing down statues, it is no different then the Taliban blowing up the Buddhas of Bamiyan. As a Yankee living in the South, I view Confederate statues as learning points, something to remind us where we came from, be it good, bad, or indifferent. George Washington owned slaves, should we tear down the Washington Monument? Should they rename the Washington Bridge?

x/S

[Flagg]

It just keeps getting better:

https://www.cnet.com/news/google-emp...ps-travel-ban/