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Old 04-30-2013, 14:13   #436
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From Guns Magazine, Jun 1958
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Old 04-30-2013, 15:00   #437
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Good post! First I've heard of an "Ortgies belly gun".
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Old 05-03-2013, 08:03   #438
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What is being discussed on NPR.

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When It Comes To Guns, How Young Is Too Young?
NPR, 2 May 2013

The shooting death of a 2-year-old girl in Kentucky at the hands of her 5-year-old brother has opened up yet another debate about gun control.

While no one favors the idea of 5-year-olds using weapons without supervision, there is no consensus on the appropriate age to start hands-on training with firearms.

"Many people who have firearms familiarize their kids with firearms early on, because they want them to know that this is not something to be trifled with," says Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, a gun rights advocacy group.

But while some hunters and other gun owners want to instill in their kids a sense of heritage and a healthy respect for safety, public health advocates believe there's little benefit in allowing any children to handle guns.

The American Academy of Pediatrics states bluntly in a policy statement that the best way to prevent firearm injury is to keep guns out of children's homes and communities.

"In terms of safety, why would you want these kids around incredibly dangerous products?" says David Hemenway, director of Harvard University's Injury Control Research Center. "It's hard to imagine how this increases safety at all — let's play with a dangerous product."

To keep children safe, Americans need to treat guns with the same care that they use when it comes to cars and swimming pools, says Dan Gross, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, a gun control advocacy group. But that won't necessarily be the result of any new laws or regulations.

"Decisions around guns should be looked at as an issue of parental responsibility," Gross says. "We think it's up to parents to make sure they're fully educated about the risks of guns around the home."

Not Common But Dangerous

The number of children unintentionally killed by firearms is relatively small — an average of about 125 per year, according to the Brady Campaign.

Of course, the total number of shootings is much higher. More than 3,000 children are treated for accidental shootings in emergency rooms each year.
Shootings are likely to inflict greater harm than other types of injuries. Half of the youths treated for gun injuries at two Colorado trauma centers required intensive care, compared with less than a fifth of those with other types of injuries, according to a study published last week in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

Thirteen percent of those gun victims died, compared with fewer than 2 percent of the children injured in other ways.

Hemenway says it's much more difficult to find reliable data on the number of children who shoot other people, as opposed to how many children are shot. But his own research has shown that when children are shot accidentally, it's usually someone around their own age holding the weapon — or, often, older brothers.

Training To Avoid Accidents

Anyone who has been around children (especially boys) knows they are likely to pretend almost any object is a gun and will pretend to shoot people with it.
Small children and real firearms, therefore, are accidents waiting to happen.
Last month, a man in the Cincinnati area was arrested after his 3-year-old son shot himself in the arm while reaching for a loaded gun that was hidden under a bed.

Next week, Democratic Rep. John Tierney of Massachusetts intends to introduce a bill that would require gun makers to "personalize" weapons so that they will fire only for their owners. Such technology exists, but as with other gun restrictions, his legislation faces an uncertain future.

In the meantime, everyone from gun manufacturers to the Boy Scouts posts information on their websites related to gun safety for kids. For the most part, the tips involve common sense.

Keep weapons locked and unloaded, and keep ammunition secured elsewhere. Never point a gun at anyone else.

"There are still far too many parents in our country who think that just hiding the gun is enough," says Gross, the Brady Campaign president. "Parents think that children don't know where guns are hidden, or that their kids know better."

Gun clubs and groups such as the Boy Scouts and 4-H routinely offer firearms safety instruction to children. "Sometimes, the younger kids seem to pay attention better than the older kids," says Robert L. Weiman, who trains about 130 kids a year as a volunteer safety instructor at the Monticello Rod & Gun Club in Minnesota.

Minnesota, like a number of other states in recent years, has lowered the minimum age at which children can receive hunting licenses to 10.

Weiman says it makes no sense to him that 10-year-olds can hunt with adult supervision but aren't allowed to take his safety course until they reach their 11th birthdays.

"I know a lot of 10-year-olds personally who could go through that course with no problem at all," he says. "Ten-year-olds are as capable of understanding what we're teaching them just as well as a 12-year-old."

Marketing To Children

If states can't quite settle on the exact age at which they believe children can responsibly handle firearms, what has disturbed a number of people about Tuesday's shooting in Kentucky is the fact that Kristian Sparks, the 5-year-old who shot his younger sister Caroline, used a rifle known as a Crickett that had been given to him as a gift.

Keystone Sporting Arms, which manufactured the weapon, markets it as "my first rifle," offered in a range of colors and held in promotional materials by a cartoon cricket. Its website features a "kids corner" filled with pictures of young children holding weapons.

Those appear to have been taken down, and the company has refused to comment to reporters.

But Keystone is not alone in marketing firearms to children. Other gun makers run advertisements designed to appeal to children as well, in publications such as Junior Shooters.

In 2011, Keystone gave away 1,000 youth .22-caliber rifles to gun dealers and ranges that hosted First Shots introductory events sponsored by the National Shooting Sports Foundation.

"Keystone Sporting Arms believes in firearms safety and getting youth started with the right equipment to ensure the best experience," Bill McNeal, who co-founded the company with his son in 1996, said at the time.

http://www.npr.org/2013/05/02/180607...g-is-too-young
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Old 05-03-2013, 08:14   #439
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Barry in Mexico yesterday...no mention of F&F (this is my shocked face) a continuation of his May Day dance.

Obama vows to keep at gun control: 'This is just the first round'
By Michael O'Brien, Political Reporter, NBC News


President Barack Obama vowed Thursday during a trip to Mexico to continue pushing for new, tighter gun control rules in the United States, saying his proposals’ recent defeat in Congress was “just the first round.”

Speaking following a meeting with Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto, whose country has been ravaged by gang violence supported in part by gun trafficking into Mexico, Obama vowed to return to the issue of gun control in the United States.

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Old 05-03-2013, 08:22   #440
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One has to be especially delusional to say something like that with F&F in your resume. Seriously nutty. We have the Mad Hatter for President.
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Old 05-03-2013, 16:45   #441
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Meanwhile in Dover, DE and Talla-DE-ga...

In spite of a Dick Dastardly-style attempt by the Southern Poverty Law Center to spread the tar of hate accusations on the track before them, Oath Keepers exceeded their fundraising goal of $30,000 by over half late Wednesday, burying the needle and succeeding in sponsoring their car for a June 1 NASCAR race in Dover, Del.

“We are now not only all set for the June 1, Dover race, but are now also half way to our next goal, which will be sponsoring Jeffrey Earnhardt in a July 14, 2013 race in New Hampshire (Live Free Or Die!),” the group of current and retired military, law enforcement and firefighters announced on its website. Members pledge to put their oath to the Constitution over all else, and list orders they will not obey, including orders to disarm their fellow Americans.

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Here's a pic of the Fastwax/Jeff Earnhardt car.
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Old 05-03-2013, 18:02   #442
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Old 05-03-2013, 19:24   #443
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You can't make this shit up - Obama uses Chicago violence to push for more gun control. Chicago is one of the most heavily regulated cities in America when it comes to gun ownership.

Perhaps, this sideshow should meet with the thugs doing the actual shooting to discuss their gun control.

Next stop Organizing for Action - Benghazi - to discuss Barry's theories on crowd control.

Obama Campaign Uses Chicago Violence to Push for Gun Control
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2:12 PM, MAY 3, 2013 • BY DANIEL HALPER

In a petition emailed today to supporters, Organizing for Action, President Obama's former campaign group, uses violence in Chicago to push for more gun control.

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http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...l_720602.html#


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Organizing for Action
Statement of Purpose
Organizing for Action is a nonprofit organization established to support President Obama in achieving enactment of the national agenda Americans voted for on Election Day 2012. OFA will advocate for these policies throughout the country and will mobilize citizens of all parties and diverse points of view to speak out for speedy passage and effective implementation of this program, including gun control, sensible environmental policies to address climate change and immigration reform. In addition, OFA will encourage the formation of chapters that will be dedicated at the grassroots level to this program, but also committed to identifying and working progressive change on a range of issues at the state and local level. In carrying its work, OFA will operate as a "social welfare" organization within the meaning of section 501(c)(4) of the Internal Revenue Code.

http://www.barackobama.com/about/abo...rce=footer-nav
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Old 05-03-2013, 19:36   #444
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Only the first round, huh Barry? Well, We the People, are in for the long fight. We have started recalling Senators, and will continue to recall, vote out of office, impeach, or whatever we have to do to fix this problem...


How pathetic a person do you have to be to try to convince people that gun control actually works at all? How pathetic do you have to be to believe that gun control actually works at all?

Answer: See Diane Feinstein.
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Old 05-04-2013, 08:21   #445
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On that whole "90% support" bit:

1) 90% of Americans may favor universal background checks, but that doesn't mean 90% support the particular bill that was shelved. A majority support lots of things, for example cutting government spending, creating a balanced budget, etc...but when it comes to the actual implementation of those things, it's a wholly different ballgame.


2) Just because 90% of Americans may support a measure does not mean that the government is supposed to enact it. Universal background checks cannot be enforced without creating a federal gun registry, and historically, gun registries have always been the precursor to gun confiscation, which happened in New Orleans in the aftermath of Katrina and Governor Cuomo and Senator Feinstein have talked about doing it. We are a republic, in which the system is supposed to protect the rights of the majority from the minority but also the rights of the minority from the majority as well.


3) Most people do not have the requisite knowledge required to appropriately answer questions regarding gun control issues. Many may not realize what they are saying as a result.
Good points Broadsword2004 thank you for sharing your thoughts.

Colion Noir has a video (below) on the topic of the mythical 90%.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=YuvCT...%3DYuvCTZ9XtrM

If universal background checks (as the legislation was actually written) truly had 90% support in the Harry Reid led Senate it would have been a slam dunk to pass that legislative body.

A google search of push/pull polling provides additional insight on many opinion polls.

There are lies, there are damn lies and then there is Obama.
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Old 05-04-2013, 17:41   #446
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Hi-Viz Hits the Road

Neither knee in the CO governor's mansion could be reached for comment, since they're exhausted from jerking. Hi-Viz heads from CO to Laramie, WY.

LINK to full story here.
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Old 05-05-2013, 12:17   #447
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Pretty good essay from the Hawkeye state

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Gun people don’t trust anti-gun people because anti-gunners always talk about 90 percent of Americans supporting this gun control measure, or 65 percent supporting that one, as if a majority opinion is what truly matters in America. We don’t trust anti-gun people because you think America is a democracy, when it’s actually a constitutional federal republic. In the American system, the rights of a single individual are what matters and are what our system is designed to protect. The emotional mob does not rule in America.
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I was just going to post that article, but you beat me to it. It is a great one.
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Old 05-05-2013, 17:22   #449
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Have a feeling this either won't come to fruition or the numbers will be small.
The government response will be watched carefully.

http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn...ice-we-wont-be
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Two New Reports: Gun Homicides Down Since 1990s

Gun Homicides Down

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A study released Tuesday by the government's Bureau of Justice Statistics found that gun-related homicides dropped from 18,253 in 1993 to 11,101 in 2011. That's a 39 percent reduction.
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Another report by the private Pew Research Center found a similar decline by looking at the rate of gun homicides, which compares the number of killings to the size of the country's population. It found that the number of gun homicides per 100,000 people fell from 7 in 1993 to 3.6 in 2010, a drop of 49 percent.
But the MSM's continuous glorification and politicization of each gun-related incident, coupled with their demonization and villification of law-abiding gun owners leaves us with this sobering statistic from the Pew Poll:

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But perhaps because of the intense publicity generated by recent mass shootings such as the December massacre of 20 school children and six educators in Newtown, Conn., the public seems to have largely not noticed the reductions in gun violence, the Pew study shows.

The non-partisan group said a poll it conducted in March showed that 56 percent of people believe the number of gun crimes is higher than it was two decades ago. Only 12 percent said they think the number of gun crimes is lower, while the rest said they think it remained the same or didn't know.

The only way that a majority of the population can arrive at the opinion that gun crimes have risen in the last two decades is through the duplicity of the MSM, who have abdicated all vestiges of their journalistic responsibilities as members of the "4th Estate" at the altar of partisan politics...

Pew Research Article

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