GOP getting ready to dump Trump?

[UWOA (RIP)]

Originally Posted by PRB

If one looks at the stats of a 3rd party today it is not viable.

Do your isolation prep evaluation presentation/mission analysis. Waste of time today.
We do not commit ODA's to operations that are losers. The Command Group says 'No Go'.

If you vote for Johnson you vote for Hillary.

Pure/simple.

If you do so then own it.

Reality.

As an example....without Ross Perot as a third candidate we might not know who the hell Hillary Clinton is.

I do my prep:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/03/opinio...ski/index.html

Trump is doing himself in, regardless of my vote (the latest was his comment on the Purple Heart he was given by some mindless vet, which turned my stomach); he just dropped ten points behind Hilary in the latest polls -- and he's the one who touts polls. Besides, I disagree with you that a vote for Johnson is a vote for Hilary -- it is what it says it is: a vote for Johnson. I'll never vote for an individual I view as the new personification of Adolf Hitler, and that's something I'll own ....

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[PRB]

Originally Posted by UWOA

I do my prep:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/03/opinio...ski/index.html

Trump is doing himself in, regardless of my vote (the latest was his comment on the Purple Heart he was given by some mindless vet, which turned my stomach); he just dropped ten points behind Hilary in the latest polls -- and he's the one who touts polls. Besides, I disagree with you that a vote for Johnson is a vote for Hilary -- it is what it says it is: a vote for Johnson. I'll never vote for an individual I view as the new personification of Adolf Hitler, and that's something I'll own ....

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As long as you know you are simply doing a Ross Perot...have at it.

[abc_123]

Sitting out this election is most definitely naïve. The choice is binary. Trump or Clinton. And to "hope" for any different result is, well... crazy. But I will admit to forgetting what step in the MDMP process "hope" is factored in? Help?

Comparing Trump to Adolph Hitler... wow. I'm sure that at least one store needs to re-stock tinfoil. At the very least.. It's a insinuation that our system of checks and balances will fail and that we are in for another Kristallnact and that would mean... more tinfoil.

I find it amazing that when a R candidate grows a spine (admittedly the candidate is flawed) the accusations are launched that he is "Crazy", "Hitler" , "racist" etc./

[UWOA (RIP)]

Originally Posted by abc_123

Sitting out this election is most definitely naïve. The choice is binary. Trump or Clinton. And to "hope" for any different result is, well... crazy. But I will admit to forgetting what step in the MDMP process "hope" is factored in? Help?

Comparing Trump to Adolph Hitler... wow. I'm sure that at least one store needs to re-stock tinfoil. At the very least.. It's a insinuation that our system of checks and balances will fail and that we are in for another Kristallnact and that would mean... more tinfoil.

I find it amazing that when a R candidate grows a spine (admittedly the candidate is flawed) the accusations are launched that he is "Crazy", "Hitler" , "racist" etc./

Voting for the Libertarian candidate is not sitting out the election; it makes a statement.

As for your other observation, our democratic system bred the Joe McCarthy era of the fifties, so we're not immune to a demagogue spinning a democracy on its head. Besides, there a plenty of Republicans who have a spine. I've been a Republican since 1964 when it was lonely to be one. Just because he's a salesman who can snow most disadvantaged Americans or those feeling disenfranchised as to his ability doesn't mean that Trump has snowed everyone. Even those in his corner are coming out now and making similar statements as to his actions. So don't shoot the messenger, because the messengers numbers are mounting. You can ignore the man behind the curtain (as in the Wizard of Oz), but he's no wizard to me and his generalities don't instill the confidence in me that you apparently have for him.

But that's the beauty of a democracy, we don't have to agree, but neither do we have to pillory each other with invective because we have different perspectives about what we're seeing. Besides, as Sheldon on the Big Bang Theory says, "I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested." LOL.

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[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by Agoge2

But, should he get elected, he will find that he will often times not get his way and simply have to live with it.

Originally Posted by PedOncoDoc

Didn't we learn over the past 8 years that this is what executive orders are for?

I think Trump has learned that lesson and has stated his intentions to act on that point. He said:

On January 21st of 2017, the day after I take the oath of office, Americans will finally wake up in a country where the laws of the United States are enforced.

How can the federal government reach that level of enforcement on the second day of a president's administration--before an AG has been nominated and confirmed by the Senate?

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by UWOA

Voting for the Libertarian candidate is not sitting out the election; it makes a statement.

As for your other observation, our democratic system bred the Joe McCarthy era of the fifties, so we're not immune to a demagogue spinning a democracy on its head. Besides, there a plenty of Republicans who have a spine. I've been a Republican since 1964 when it was lonely to be one. Just because he's a salesman who can snow most disadvantaged Americans or those feeling disenfranchised as to his ability doesn't mean that Trump has snowed everyone. Even those in his corner are coming out now and making similar statements as to his actions. So don't shoot the messenger, because the messengers numbers are mounting. You can ignore the man behind the curtain (as in the Wizard of Oz), but he's no wizard to me and his generalities don't instill the confidence in me that you apparently have for him.

But that's the beauty of a democracy, we don't have to agree, but neither do we have to pillory each other with invective because we have different perspectives about what we're seeing. Besides, as Sheldon on the Big Bang Theory says, "I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested." LOL.

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DSM 5.....it is kind of like Snopes, unreliable imo. I mean DSM 5 renamed perversions so that they are now considered mere 'Disorders', which in turn makes them more palatable.....in line with renaming Illegal Aliens to Undocumented workers or renaming terrorism to work place violence, AQI to ISIS, or ISIL or Daesh.


Based on the current state of the US it would appear that Joe McCarthy wasn't all wrong.

As far as Trump snowing people, maybe some. But if you look back on previous topics and browse other forums the overwhelming theme of support is his ability to upset the established norms, not that that he is going to perform some sort of magic that will trandorm America.

He has done exactly that up to this point.

Is the US a Constitutional Republic or a Democracy?

Originally Posted by Sigaba

How can the federal government reach that level of enforcement on the second day of a president's administration--before an AG has been nominated and confirmed by the Senate?

That precedent has been set over the past 7+ years by Obama and the 2 houses of do nothing.............Executive Fiat.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Everyone gets to vote for the candidate of their choice if that person got his or her name on the ballot. You can even write a name in if that suits you.

I believe that Gary Johnson is still the best candidate on the ballot but as I found out in the past, voted for him twice now, he is not electable because of the system. That's unfortunate!

Ultimately within the system that is our current (two party) government we have to vote not for the person or party we like the best but who is best for the country.

Not just choosing between the lesser of two evils but choosing between who will accomplish the least amount of damage to our Republic over the next four years or longer. Who's policies domestic and foreign will cause irreparable harm?

I'm voting for the country and feel confident that of the choices I have Trump/Pence is that person. The alternative, Hillary Clinton will stack the SCOTUS and the Federal Government from DOJ to IRS to every cabinet level office with the same type of people that are hell bent on destroying everything this country once stood for.

I could not and may not continue to call America my home. I have six years to retire again and if the next four years are anything like the last eight years I may be moving overseas before I reach that milestone. I'd rather be an expatriate than a patriot of a country I don't recognize any more.

ETA: Our Constitution and government has many ways to insure the checks and balances necessary to accept or reject rogue leaders unless the deck gets stacked. The deck has been stacked and the status quo needs to be reset. Hillary is the status quo candidate - nothing will change.

"If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor!" Yeah, riiiiight! (You lie!)

[akv]

Originally Posted by UWOA

Naive, perhaps, but I cannot, on principle, vote for either Trump or Clinton.

Agreed there. FWIW I think your assessment of Trump is spot on. My $.02 we've seen the results of what eight years of gutless narcissist can do to a country, Trump whatever his mental classification isn't gutless which to me makes him even more dangerous. There isn't a silver lining here . If they were both snakes I'd think Hillary is a python and trump is a cobra. You don't want to do the lambada with either but one could be a slow death for the republic (which you could possibly escape) and the other could be a fast venomous death.

I will never vote for a Clinton, but it's probably best for Trump he dodged Vietnam, if the NVA weren't dangerous enough, he is such a consummate asshole to so many different people I think he would have gotten fragged. I just see dictator traits in the man.

[PRB]

If making a statement simply meant withstanding 4/8 years of Hillary Clinton I'd be slightly more amenable.....we can survive her as we have Obama.

However, how we will survive the next 20+ years of the liberal Jurists she'll appoint to the SCOTUS is a different circumstance.

How we will have the Constitution re interpreted over that period could change the face of the United States forever.

So, make your 'statement' but understand the repercussions of your blank round.
It makes noise but has no effect whatsoever.

[sinjefe]

UWOA,

News sources (including foxnews), with respect to Trump, are completely unreliable. NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, AP, yahoo, almost all of the major city newspapers etc. have all "Motherfucked" him from the very beginning. They have all stated, on numerous occasions, how he is "about to implode". They have all been chattering for over a month on how he is "about to quit". They're projecting and are simply not in tune with what average Americans are thinking.

Fuck them.

[Golf1echo]

Interesting back and fourth and good to see the position many of us have, if these are the candidates presented to the American public, then our two parties are very broken and this is the start of a process to fix them from the outside hopefully resulting in the inside working to do that as well.

Originally Posted by PRB

If one looks at the stats of a 3rd party today it is not viable.

Do your isolation prep evaluation presentation/mission analysis. Waste of time today.
We do not commit ODA's to operations that are losers. The Command Group says 'No Go'.

If you vote for Johnson you vote for Hillary.

Pure/simple.

If you do so then own it.

Reality.

As an example....without Ross Perot as a third candidate we might not know who the hell Hillary Clinton is.

It doesn't get anymore succinct than that!

If your using Yahoo News for any kind of credible reference like I did until recently, regardless of catagory you might want to review that...as much as I want it to be, it just isn't!!!

[UWOA (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Paslode

DSM 5.....it is kind of like Snopes, unreliable imo. I mean DSM 5 renamed perversions so that they are now considered mere 'Disorders', which in turn makes them more palatable.....in line with renaming Illegal Aliens to Undocumented workers or renaming terrorism to work place violence, AQI to ISIS, or ISIL or Daesh.


Based on the current state of the US it would appear that Joe McCarthy wasn't all wrong.

As far as Trump snowing people, maybe some. But if you look back on previous topics and browse other forums the overwhelming theme of support is his ability to upset the established norms, not that that he is going to perform some sort of magic that will trandorm America.

He has done exactly that up to this point.

Is the US a Constitutional Republic or a Democracy?

You make a cogent point about DSM-V, it's not accepted well by a lot of psychiatrists, but it is still the designated source for psychiatric disorders. Me, I was trained on DSM-IV, and still prefer it over the latest iteration.

We didn't need McCarthy to point out the communists infiltrating our institutions. I only point him out as an illustration that the cure might be worse than the disease -- I fear more what Trump might screw up beyond repair more than I desire what he might fix. To that end there are others, more qualified and without the baggage of a cheat and a lying dissembler that Trump is, with Mike Pence leading the crew. Pence, I'd vote for.

Hopefully, it is both: a constitutional republic and a democracy (with a small 'd').

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[SF-TX]

Originally Posted by UWOA

You can ignore the man behind the curtain (as in the Wizard of Oz), but he's no wizard to me and his generalities don't instill the confidence in me that you apparently have for him.

The positions outlined here don't seem too general.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

[UWOA (RIP)]

Originally Posted by SF-TX

The positions outlined here don't seem too general.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

But what will they be tomorrow? "I have a relationship with Vladimir Putin." Then, "I have no relationship, never had a relationship with Vladimir Putin."

Just one example of how he changes his tune, sometimes in the same interview. "I don't know the guy, but yeah, I played golf with him."

Seeing is believing. You can talk all you want about the bias of the news media, but when you see the words coming out of the man's mouth, it doesn't matter whether they are biased -- the truth becomes self-evident and a person can make their own judgement of the veracity of the candidate.

He's for the common man ... until Trump stiffs him and doesn't pay him for services performed ... or outright flim-flams the person by touting services that will never realize their objective and don't even comport with the law (Trump University). Should those people have done their due diligence before relying on the words of such an individual. Most assuredly. I am, and will do my due diligence, which is why I've decided to go another route ....

Unless you're implying that they doctored the videos ....

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[Streck-Fu]

Originally Posted by SF-TX

The positions outlined here don't seem too general.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

I wish President Obama stuck to Candidate Obama's positions on most issues..