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Old 06-18-2018, 07:41   #16
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Because we have the F-35 (in it’s three different variations to suit the needs of three different branches to use the same plane! That costs three times as much as three different panes!)
But Turkey is a partner to share the cost and kill Kurds with them....
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Old 06-18-2018, 09:06   #17
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I think this survey is part of the initial query....


Afghanistan social support network survey



"Hi, we'd like to invite you to complete this online survey after your recent contact with our Special Forces Troops.

How did you contact us today?

Were you:
•Laying in wait to ambush us?
•Placing an IED inside a dog's carcass?
•Firing at us while surrounded by a group of school kids?
•Pretending to work with us in one of our bases?

On a scale of 1-5, how would you rate the troops you shot at on the following attributes:
•Gender balance including fluidity and expressions of individual gender identity
•Cultural diversity - did our unit members reflect the communities they serve, including yours
•Politeness while being shot at
•Adherence to OH&S and the other 1,098 policy statements designed to nail our soldiers somehow no matter what they do
•Treating you with dignity during the contact while respecting your humanity and deep-seated cultural/religious need to kill us

Please answer yes or no to the following questions
•Did our soldiers remove their boots before entering your booby-trapped hideout?
•Did we respect your 5 daily prayer times by ceasing fire at the Muezzin's call?
•Did we comply with your laws and customs about gay people?
•Did we give you sufficient opportunity to enquire about our operational plans, policies and rules of engagement?
•Were you given enough time to prepare your ambush of us?
•Have we given you an easy way to complain about our troops and to tie them up in endless bullshit paperwork while you Allah uh-Akbar away to your heart's content?

Thank you for choosing to attack us today, we hope you enjoyed the experience and look forward to serving you again when next you choose Jihad against the West.
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Old 06-18-2018, 09:13   #18
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I think this survey is part of the initial query....


Afghanistan social support network survey



"Hi, we'd like to invite you to complete this online survey after your recent contact with our Special Forces Troops.

How did you contact us today?

Were you:
•Laying in wait to ambush us?
•Placing an IED inside a dog's carcass?
•Firing at us while surrounded by a group of school kids?
•Pretending to work with us in one of our bases?

On a scale of 1-5, how would you rate the troops you shot at on the following attributes:
•Gender balance including fluidity and expressions of individual gender identity
•Cultural diversity - did our unit members reflect the communities they serve, including yours
•Politeness while being shot at
•Adherence to OH&S and the other 1,098 policy statements designed to nail our soldiers somehow no matter what they do
•Treating you with dignity during the contact while respecting your humanity and deep-seated cultural/religious need to kill us

Please answer yes or no to the following questions
•Did our soldiers remove their boots before entering your booby-trapped hideout?
•Did we respect your 5 daily prayer times by ceasing fire at the Muezzin's call?
•Did we comply with your laws and customs about gay people?
•Did we give you sufficient opportunity to enquire about our operational plans, policies and rules of engagement?
•Were you given enough time to prepare your ambush of us?
•Have we given you an easy way to complain about our troops and to tie them up in endless bullshit paperwork while you Allah uh-Akbar away to your heart's content?

Thank you for choosing to attack us today, we hope you enjoyed the experience and look forward to serving you again when next you choose Jihad against the West.
Shit that's painful to read

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Old 06-18-2018, 10:11   #19
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PRB, that questionnaire looks like it could have been part of a CONOP slide deck
...right after the checklist for "Karzai's 12 Rules" slide
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Old 06-18-2018, 10:32   #20
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Unfortunately the basics are lost in this so-called modern world of lets never offend anyone or hurt anyone's feelings. Wars are started by politicians or mad men in power. The objective of the soldier of any given country, throughout history, is to kill and destroy the enemy and all that helps him operate. Our GO's today are politicians more so than they ever were and damn sure don't want to make themselves look bad in any way. So, lets not slaughter the enemy because the pukes that report news would make us look bad for doing so. If a small SOF unit gets ambushed and they kill a dozen bad guys lets let the politicians of that country tell us that that unit can no longer operate in the province they are in.

With the current President trying to rebuild our military, every Field Grade officer up is coming up with something to add a bullet point to their OER, when all it boils down to is going out and let the soldiers fight with all the power and support you can give them. As someone stated above: careerism, in an industry that is top heavy with brass. Everyone officer wants to revamp the system because it looks like they are doing something. LET THE SOLDIERS DESTROY THE ENEMY AND DON'T CALL AN INVESTIGATION ON THEM EVERY TIME THEY DO!!!
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Old 06-18-2018, 11:17   #21
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Goldwater-Nichols took 'employment' away from the Services back in '86 and gave it to the Combatant Commanders. Service Title 10 authorities center on man/train/organize/equip efforts.
Goldwater Nichols was a good start but the point seems to missed that the branches individually train their individual Infantries, individual air wings, etc.....each branch has its uniforms, training philosphy, boot camps, training requirements etc why must the Marine Corps have an Infantry if the Army also has one....why does the Navy, USMC, Army have Air capability when we have an Air Force.....The Navy has ships so why does the Army, Marine Corps, Coast Guard have its own maritime capability.....and when these units deploy/employ who has TACON/OPCON if the branches can influence it they will have Marines OPCON to Marines etc if possible....Army to Army and so on

This is one of the few things where academics can ask legitimately why? Why are Why are their 7 Joint Chiefs who are supposed to reduce the conflict of capabilities and unify effort, 10 Commands?, a secretary for every branch a SECDEF over the SEC's.....but each branch has its own training, doctrine, equipping programs that overlap or contradict.....You see normal people would be curious to know why the waste of duplication instead of merging and synchronizing......at the end of the day the Goldwater-Nichols act and the reason it exists is because of some of these questions. Kind of makes you wonder why the Chiefs aren't thinking the same thing in a way but then again if they merged efforts they would lose their place at the table without a branch....The SECDEF should be the one asking the questions why confusion.

To wipe out the immense command structures is an extreme proposition and would require navigation of prideful leaders being willing to give up their positions as they are today and we know power is intoxicating. The intent of the act was to eliminate the complete disconnect of branches the result is atom splitting of capabilities and redundancy upon redundancy......in reality it is lawnmower companies all owned by one big company offering the same basic service with different equipment brands, uniforms but still offering the same services...

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40 - 4 star Officers and I think a total of 302 1-4 stars in the services total
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Old 06-18-2018, 15:28   #22
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And, then there’s this.

Trump Calls for ‘Space Force’ in Major Military Revamp
Proposed new entity intended to be ‘separate but equal’ to Air Force

By Andy Pasztor
WSJ
Updated June 18, 2018 4:59 p.m. ET
President Donald Trump on Monday directed Pentagon officials to move toward creating a “space force” that would become a sixth branch of the military, with congressional blessing, and portends the most sweeping revamp of the U.S. armed forces in more than 70 years.

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https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/tru...amp-1529351726
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Old 06-18-2018, 16:20   #23
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And, then there’s this.

Trump Calls for ‘Space Force’ in Major Military Revamp
Proposed new entity intended to be ‘separate but equal’ to Air Force

By Andy Pasztor
WSJ
Updated June 18, 2018 4:59 p.m. ET
President Donald Trump on Monday directed Pentagon officials to move toward creating a “space force” that would become a sixth branch of the military, with congressional blessing, and portends the most sweeping revamp of the U.S. armed forces in more than 70 years.

<snip>

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/tru...amp-1529351726
Trump shouldn't be watching Battlestar Galactica reruns! We can afford another sweeping revamp of the military that adds space forces like we need 200 years of Obama as president.
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Old 06-18-2018, 16:27   #24
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Maybe the President is looking for a place for all the redundant brass in the military that has been mentioned in this thread...win win.
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Old 06-18-2018, 17:02   #25
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Maybe the President is looking for a place for all the redundant brass in the military that has been mentioned in this thread...win win.
Yeah, send them to establish a FOB on Mars.
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Old 06-18-2018, 17:47   #26
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Establish Space Force then have Alien Disclosure. Hilary is a reptilian bent on eating small children that enter her gingerbread house.
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Old 06-18-2018, 19:16   #27
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Establish Space Force then have Alien Disclosure. Hilary is a reptilian bent on eating small children that enter her gingerbread house.
Ok, I know that "...Elvis ain't dead he just went home" but this needs studying. We need a new JTF!
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Old 06-19-2018, 02:02   #28
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Give the Warthog back to the Army

and make the Air Force space command. Win-win.
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Old 06-19-2018, 05:15   #29
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M. A. R. S.

...Mars bitches

That's where we are going.

RED ROCKS !!






Before things get out of hand, what color berets will be worn by the Space Force?
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Old 06-19-2018, 06:33   #30
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M. A. R. S.

...Mars bitches

That's where we are going.

RED ROCKS !!






Before things get out of hand, what color berets will be worn by the Space Force?
I’m just curious what they will call their trainees and officers?

Space Cadets?
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