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Old 09-11-2014, 09:34   #16
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More POV from BBC

Interesting in that it offers flashes (insights?) from other media in theater. But what the hell, no one ever said making a silk purse out of a pigs ear would be easy.

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Suspicion, scepticism greet Obama speech

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-29157087

Middle Eastern commentators have reacted to US President Barack Obama's new strategy for dealing with the Islamic State (IS) militants with opinions ranging from praise to suspicion and scepticism.

Iraqi pro-government TV reported in positive tones on Mr Obama's speech, in which he said the US will lead a broad coalition against IS militants, who have seized large swathes of Iraqi and Syrian territory. Syrian TV criticised the strategy for excluding Damascus from the coalition.

Newspaper commentators wondered who will be pressured into providing ground forces, while others suggested Mr Obama has underestimated the task that lies ahead.

Here is a flavour of the reactions in some of the region's media:

Syrian state TV

Obama's strategy against the Islamic State exposes Washington's lack of seriousness regarding combating terrorism, as it fights against only one group while arming others.

Iraqi Al-Iraqiyah TV

US President Barack Obama said that IS gangs constitute a terrorist organization that has no vision other than killing whoever stands in its way with unprecedented violence.

Seyyed Reza Akrami in Iran's Mardom Salari


Iran has become the flag bearer for the fight against terrorism… Obama is explicitly saying that Daesh (the Islamic State) - not Iran - is a threat for the region.

Ahmad Kazemzadeh in Iran's Javan

The new Western coalition has been created to allow members to achieve their own goals:… expanding Nato's borders into new areas like the Gulf and the Indian subcontinent,… overthrowing the Syrian government and challenging Russia.

Editorial in Palestinian newspaper Al-Quds

The military confrontation with the Islamic State will only escalate the problem, and ultimately no-one will be able to resolve it.

Ala-al-Din Abu Zyna in Jordan's Al-Ghad daily


Obama repeated what former US President George W Bush did 13 years ago… talking of the war between the civilized West and the backward Islam… They should leave us alone.

Editorial in London-based Al-Quds Al-Arabi


The world held its breath yesterday evening... as it listened to US President Barack Obama announce his strategy to "weaken and destroy Daesh (IS)". It won't be easy.

Fayiz Sarah in Saudi-owned Al-Sharq al-Awsat

For the war on terrorism and extremism which is represented by Daesh to succeed, it should include the regime of [Syrian President Bashar] al-Assad.

Orly Azoulay in Israel's Yediot Aharonot

The war that will be attributed to him [Obama] is a war against evil, cruelty, and extremism, and intended to react to the Islamic State which spat in the face of the American nation by executing some of its citizens.

Ibrahim Karagul in Turkey's Yeni Safak


We know that those who say no operation against IS can succeed without Turkey actually mean Turkish ground forces.

Ibrahim Kiras in Turkey's Star

One shouldn't forget that the USA, by hitting the IS, will anger the Sunni Arabs.
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Old 09-11-2014, 09:42   #17
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There is probably a red line out there just waiting to be crossed...
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Old 09-11-2014, 16:06   #18
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"ISIL is not Islamic..." BHO.



Wonder what BHO was trying to achieve by saying "ISIL" is not Islamic?
Was that his interpretation of Islam or the Shariah's interpretation?
I'm inclined to think he's either naive, or he's practicing al-Taqiyya.


1) Attempt to create a Caliphate - check.
2) Set up a theocracy under Shariah law - check.
3) Require Kafir to convert, pay the Jizya, or be killed - check.
4) Take women prisoners as sex slaves - check.
5) Behead Kafir to strike fear into the infidels - check.

Just what tenet of Islam is "ISIL" violating?
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Old 09-11-2014, 16:13   #19
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"ISIL is not Islamic..." BHO
He refuses to call them ISIS.....There's a reason for that.
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Old 09-11-2014, 16:24   #20
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Although I'm not 100% certain, I'm in the Taqiyya camp simply for the reason you suggest. Only a Muslim would not recognize the existence of Israel...
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Old 09-11-2014, 17:11   #21
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New name for POTUS. President IHOP because he has so many waffles
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Old 09-12-2014, 04:49   #22
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Gen. Allen To Manage Obama’s Strategy Against the Islamic State

Since retiring in early last year after serving as the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, Allen has been serving as an advisor to the Obama administration, and Secretary of State John Kerry in particular.

http://www.defenseone.com/threats/20...seone_today_nl

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Old 09-12-2014, 05:15   #23
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I wonder

I wounder if he'll get 44 countries on board with his effort or if he'll have to "go it alone" like Bush did?

Lat I counted Obama had around 10.
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So I am confused...

If "ISIS isn't Islamic"

...what exactly do the letters stand for again?
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I wounder if he'll get 44 countries on board with his effort or if he'll have to "go it alone" like Bush did?

Lat I counted Obama had around 10.
It's all in the counting (the Chicago way). The list furnished to the press will likely contain "good intentions w/o actual contributions" - kinda like winning a Nobel Peace Prize.
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Lie of the Year 2013..."if you like your plan you can keep your plan...if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor..."

Lie of the Year 2014...

"...ISIS isn't Islamic."
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Since retiring in early last year after serving as the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, Allen has been serving as an advisor to the Obama administration, and Secretary of State John Kerry in particular.

http://www.defenseone.com/threats/20...seone_today_nl

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1zDnmiSG9c

Remember this clown?

Sounds like the right person for the job............

FML, seriously.........this has to be some sort of fucking misinformation campaign.
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Old 09-13-2014, 13:08   #28
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Some recent comments by Gen. Allen regarding ISIS.

Gen. Allen: Destroy the Islamic State Now
Gen. John Allen (Ret.) August 20, 2014
Defense One Journal

The brutal murder of the brave American journalist James Foley is meant to directly terrorize the world’s media, the international community, and the United States. If all the actions of the Islamic State, or IS, to date weren’t sufficiently reprehensible, this act and the potential for other similar acts will snap American attention with laser-like focus onto the real danger IS poses to the existence of Iraq, the order of the region and to the homelands of Europe and America.

Make no mistake, the abomination of IS is a clear and present danger to the U.S. The only question really is whether the U.S. and its allies and partners will act decisively now while they can still shape events to destroy IS, an act that seems increasingly self-obvious.

President Barack Obama, our commander-in-chief, was right to order airstrikes on IS elements in northern Iraq. He was also right to order humanitarian relief for the Yazidis and other desperate Iraqi minority elements fleeing the onslaught of IS elements, but until the grisly death of James Foley much of the American public was only beginning to awaken to what IS is and the enormity of the threat it represents.

The U.S. is now firmly in the game and remains the only nation on the planet capable of exerting the kind of strategic leadership, influence and strike capacity to deal with IS. It is also the only power capable of organizing a coalition’s reaction to this regional and international threat. As a general officer commanding at several levels in the region, I can say with certainty that what we’re facing in northern Iraq is only partly a crisis about Iraq. It is about the region and potentially the world as we know it.

Weeks ago I called for this group to be attacked in the manner only the U.S. can undertake – suddenly, swiftly, surgically – to deal it a setback and to begin the systematic dismantlement of this scourge. As we consider this threat there are some important points to consider that give urgency to the imperative to act:

The Islamic State is executing a well-thought-out campaign design intended to dismantle both Syria and Iraq and install in their place an Islamic Caliphate. Though we’re keyed into it now, we missed it initially.

IS is a well-organized entity, almost certainly supported by former Saddamist regime elements whose hand can be seen in the campaign design now unfolding. This group is not a flash in the pan that will go away of its own accord or if we don’t poke at it. It is not benign. IS is reinforced by Sunni tribal elements from Syria and Iraq, and most alarmingly, is aided by a witch’s brew of foreign fighters from Chechens to Uighurs to Pashtuns, but also including Europeans and Americans. The Caliphate’s Western recruits will be felt in the European and American homelands for years to come regardless of the fate IS and its cause.

IS is quite well heeled. It is flush with recently captured American and Iraqi ordnance and armored vehicles, and awash with dollars lifted from Iraqi banks along its route of advance. It is demonstrating an alarming ability to absorb heavier and more complex military capabilities and put them to work against their erstwhile opponents. IS is able to demonstrate substantial battlefield innovation and agility — two qualities none of us can afford as IS continues its forward movement and attempts to consolidate.

So how should we “see” IS and what is this terrorist group up to?

Within its means, IS is waging total war on the region and its “unbelieving and apostate” populations. Just ask the Christians, Yazidis, Kurds, Shi’a and some Sunni populations who’ve been unlucky enough to be along the IS axis of advance. Before our very eyes, it is transitioning from being a non-state actor into a state-like entity. The leadership of the so-called Caliphate has been clear that it will focus on Western and American targets if given the chance to consolidate its holdings into the so-called Caliphate. It’s worth remembering the Taliban provided the perfect platform from which al-Qaeda attacked the U.S., and the Taliban were and remain as cavemen in comparison to IS. As well, al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, or AQAP, has attacked the U.S. at least twice, and they are a mere shadow of IS. Worse, the IS foot soldiers holding U.K., European, and American passports number in the hundreds. We need to prepare ourselves for what this will mean. Foley’s executioner spoke with a British accent.

So what now?

IS must be destroyed and we must move quickly to pressure its entire “nervous system,” break it up, and destroy its pieces. As I said, the president was absolutely right to strike IS, to send advisors to Iraq, to arm the Kurds, to relieve the suffering of the poor benighted people of the region, to seek to rebuild functional and non-sectarian Iraqi Security Forces and to call for profound change in the political equation and relationships in Baghdad.

The whole questionable debate on American war weariness aside, the U.S. military is not war weary and is fully capable of attacking and reducing IS throughout the depth of its holdings, and we should do it now, but supported substantially by our traditional allies and partners, especially by those in the region who have the most to give – and the most to lose – if the Islamic State’s march continues. It’s their fight as much as ours, for the effects of IS terror will certainly spread in the region with IS seeking soft spots for exploitation.

American and allied efforts must operate against IS from Mosul in the east across its entire depth to western Syria. In that regard, “sovereignty” in the context of its airspace and territory is not something we should grant President Bashar al-Assad’s regime in Syria. Syria is a failed state neither capable of acting as a sovereign entity nor deserving the respect of one. We cannot leave IS a safe haven anywhere or a secure support platform from which to regroup or enjoy sanctuary across the now-irrelevant frontier between Syria and Iraq.

Complete article at link below.

Gen. John R. Allen, USMC (Ret.) led Marines in Anbar Province and was commander of the International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan. He is a distinguished fellow of foreign policy at the Brookings Institution.

http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2014...ate-now/92012/
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